Sojuphan

Folded KK once in my entire life at the 2004 WSOP. UTG raised 4x bb, got a call from my left from a very tight player and was reraised in late position, and then reraised by the tightest player in the world on the button. I folded, guy next to me went all in. Second raiser folded, button called. AA, KK, KK, QQ. I survived only to be bitter later. Other than a situation like that with multiple reraises against tight players, hard to lay down KK preflop.Forgot to mention all four of us had very healthy chip stacks.

Fold with fewer than four other people in the pot.

Have a few thoughts on this subject, as it has been a topic of debate at a few games I've played in lately. I currently play 20/40 NL at Commerce and up to 40/80 LHE. In my opinion, low stakes NL requires little more skill than the strategy that Smash advocates. However, as the stakes rise in NL, players have to learn much more and the learning curve becomes rather steep. If you play 10/20 or 20/40 NL, and you don't know how to do more than push all-in you will get destroyed.On the other hand, profit at low stakes LHE requires an incredible amount of skill. It requires a knowledge of poke

Also mis-read the river . . .

Smash,My view is that you have AK against a two other players calling a capped pot, you are probably behind them both. On the flop, you've completely missed and might have 6 outs - not including back door straights or flushes. I just think there's a better place to start cramming in money.

Back to the most important part of this thread -Grimace beats down Hamburgler because he has a huge weight advantage.

Bet - but it's not about fold equity. Bet so the approximately 18% of the time you hit a flush you are paid off. If a diamond hits, my guess is that your opponents will not be able to lay down their hands and will call.

I like the initial re-raise to $13 which helps define your hand. However, when he comes over the top of you I think it's a good fold. You see he doesn't raise much pre-flop, which means when he re-raised you he probably had one of three hands - AA, KK, or AK. The first two hands have you crushed and you are just a slight favorite if he has AK. Maybe he does have something like JJ, but I still think the more prudent play is a fold.Part of being successful at NL hold em is being able to lay down hands, sometimes they are the winning hands.

Smash,It's an easy fold, and you know it.

NL is not rocket science folks . . . fold this hand pre-flop. What's so hard to understand about not calling a raise when you are likely behind? If you want to learn how to play deep stack nl, first learn how to play fundamentally sound poker. As far as thinking the pre-flop play is good, it's not unless you have a reason to believe the villain was making some kind of pre-flop move. Then you MIGHT, MIGHT, possibly, perhaps want to defend. Otherwise fold.As to the flop play, it's no good either . . . with a weak, easily dominated hand you flat called with no clue where you might be at. Th

So if you think this is a good hand to play pre-flop, and you know how to play it post flop . . . why did you post here asking for advice?

Don't like the pre-flop call . . .

Because A9o is a weak, easily dominated hand. If you hit your ace you still can't be sure your kicker is good. So if you want your poker career to last any real length of time - you will fold crappy hands like this pre-flop.The exception of course is if you are Chris Ferguson and know how to play this hand.

Play bottom set fast on this flop, and let villain make the mistake of calling you with inappropriate pot odds.The time to slow play is when you have the deck practically crippled . . .

Three betting the turn was fine . . .Crying call at the river . . .