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Raises of that size tend to scream TT-QQ to me.I ain't folding, but I think shoving pf, your only raising option, IMO, is unwise....I'm not sure a squeeze works here.Are their stack sizes, especially the first raiser, bigger or smaller than yours? Is this guy good enough to fold TT/JJ?

I tend to hate the pf call too - I'm torn between a raise to 250ish, or shoving....can you fold if he comes back over the top of your raise anyway?I've been called by KQ/KJ/QJ here so often in my tourneys that I think shoving pf is fine, and much better than calling.

I'm going to put UTG on this range...Any ace, any two broadway, any pair.Insta-call.

That's where I'm trying to find my balance. I tend to assume the worst (or best) in these situations and have a hard time concluding that at least one of the players doesn't have me beat. Especially when the BB 3-bets against 2 players, one being a check/raiser.Yeah, it's read dependent, and I'm more comfortable getting such a read in a live game than an Internet game.In the end, I looked for a lot of reasons to continue after the all-in, and couldn't justify it. Basically, I concluded that the number of times I'm ahead vs the number of times I'm behind, combined with the number of outs,

Once again, these guys are calling with Asx/Ksx, maybe even Qsx whether I push the flop or the turn. Regardless of what lone spade they have, if they have decided that they're going to chase, they're going to call off their chips on either street.Why not make sure the turn's not a spade before pushing? Isn't it a bigger mistake for them to call the turn instead of the flop? Why dodge two cards if you only have to dodge one?Or are you calling their all-ins after the turn if the fourth spade hits anyway?OK, maybe I'm letting a naked 6 of spades get there for free...or a gutshot. btw - If

$60 live tournament.Start with 4000 chips.Blinds are 50/100.I have about 3500 at this point, below average, but still relatively early on.Three people limp, I call with 33 from the button, blinds complete/check. 600 in the pot.Flop is 3s 7s JsSB checks, BB bets 500 (has about 1300 behind) , three folds, I call (3000 behind), SB raises to 1000 (2000 behind) , BB goes all-in, I fold...I'm calling the first bet on the flop, instead of raising, because if either player has a single spade, they're calling my raise on either the flop or the turn...I may as well fade one card rather than two.

Very true...hands like 99 stick out for me in plays like this.Also, AK - I see AK play like this a ton of the time in these types of tourneys.

I likely raise pf (whether or not that's appropriate is another matter).I think I play the rest the same.wtf is SB doing on the river? Does he have KQ43 and hopes someone else will bet? If I have KQ, even without the low, I'm leading the river again and hoping the other two get into a raising war for the low.

Yeah, probably fold.Even if you're certain the other two overcall on the flop, I think a fold is still correct.There are only three cards that give you any real chance at a scoop...and none of them guarantee even taking half the pot. Two of them give you the third low.The four or five of diamonds give you the nut flush, and a really ugly low....probably the two worst cards to see because they have the most potential of giving you second best on both halves of the pot.You have three outs....sometimes...to scoop....otherwise, you're looking at runner runner from four diamonds and four ducks.Yo

That's where it gets fun.If you know he "only" has to fold 1 in 16 times, you are gonna bluff more.If he knows that you only have to bluff 15% of the time for his call to be correct, and if he knows the more outs you have the lower that numbers go, the more likely he is to call.I am an undeniable calling station at showdown for these reasons.If hero and villain are two people who read this thread, villain doesn't fold 6.5% of the time, making the turn bet -ev.But hero would know that, so he wouldn't bet.So, when he bets, he has a strong hand.And villain knows that, so he will fold more than 6.

AA/KK most certainly goes all-in here.He raised from early position and you reraised him.He has every reason to believe you have a strong hand.And no one else is left in the pot.And he's out of position.I'm pushing here and hoping you have AK/KK/QQ...hands you should have if you're reraising a tight player's early position raise.

As far as I can see, what Bear has said (and he is correct) is that "EVEN IF" we are drawing dead, we only need villain to fold every 7 hands, or twice every 13 hands, for us to break even....so, if you come up with a number higher than 15% you must know you are wrong.15% is the answer if we have 0 outs....as our number of outs goes up, this percentage drops.If you came up with 3.8% like I did you likely did the same mistake I made...double counting your equity on the turn.

I'm not scared of a bigger draw...if it happens it happens.If I hit my draw I will get called by straights, two pairs, sets and top pair far more often than I'll be beat by the bigger draws...and even when I run into a bigger flush, most of them won't raise me.To clarify, I'm not asking about my river bet. I'm asking about the flop and turn bets, and the UTG call (admittedly EXTREMELY loose).I played this UTG because I'm 80% certain I'll get 4 or 5 others to limp along with the blinds, and that no one will raise.Some would argue that I should be checking/calling the flop and turn...I'm thinki

I can't comment on what he may or may not have said to you in a PM.All I can say is in the original post he clearly states that you have 18 live outs.

4/8 liveVery passive and loose table pf....lots of hands with 6-8 players seeing a flop.Mostly passive, though some guys will make you pay for draws, postflop.I'm UTG with 7s5s - I limp.7 other limpers, including blinds.Ts 7d 9s (8 SB)I bet, everyone callsTs 7d 9s Kh (8 BB)I bet, everyone callsTs 7d 9s Kh 6s (16 BB)I betOne raiser, I call...I can fold a 3 bet - I don't think anyone at this table bets a straight, but they certainly call itMy thinking is I probably get 7 callers on the flop...likely 4 or 5 on the turn...and could get 3 or 4 on the river.To me, I think I have equity in betting,

This is a bit of a math exercise and this may help explain my position - it might also help me convince myself I'm wrong.I'm the first to admit here that I might be giving villain, or a random villain in this tournament, too much credit in being able to fold a hand like Jc9c, or even Td9s.First, I think my 35% is wrong...since we are never folding, calling takes care of whatever equity you might have in the pot.So, you are betting $1200 to win $1200.There are 9 hands that beat you, and villain calls them 100% of the time. So, villain has to call with a worse hand 10 times to make your bet wo

Even if it is a "decent percentage of the time" he still has to call with a worse hand quite often. Do you think an all-in gets called by a worse hand more than 35% of the time? I could be off base, or giving the general audience of a $55 tourney too much credit, but I think that's a tall order. And I don't mean calling 35% of the time with just a Jack flush...but calling with ALL his likely holdings, combined, that are worse than your hand.He NEVER folds a better hand to an all-in raise on the river.Do you think he puts in a blocker bet with a straight, and then calls off 80% of this ch

I'm going with 3.8%.My convoluted logic - which is probably wrong - has been sent via PM.

I can fold here and I can shove here. I likely lean towards folding.If he hit QJ, good for him. If he made a donk call with KT, good for him.QT could be a legitimate worry....T8?He could have JT too.He could play this way with Ad9d.Maybe a pair of tens.I think a fold and shove are very close. It's just too unlikely the queen helped him.You're either winning, or drawing dead/very thin.

meh.What hands call hero's all-in on the river?Does villain call with a straight? Be it a naked 5 or a T9?Jack high flush? Has the hand played like a Jack High flush?Hero has the 10th best possible hand...don't oversell it.If you're villain and have JcTc, as played, do you call if your river bet is raised all in, calling off 1200 of your remaing 1500 chips? If you call, is it because you believe your opponent raised with 9c8c? Or because you believe (hope) he's betting the phony flush?In the long run, I'm not sure if hero gets called enough by worse hands to justify a river raise. Also -

I myself like the first call on the turn, with lags acting behind, and then potting after UTG1 pots.The board is draw heavy, but you have a few of their outs, as far as the high is concerned. And if you get three callers chasing the low, take it.I think the river play, though, is easy. I'd be closer to 99% certain no one has AA.

EV is not a zero sum game.There are many times where both players are +EV with a bet and a call.It's very rare to see a bet, when you're ahead, be a -EV move...it's typically when you are against multiple opponents, and all their combined outs take up most, or all, the remaining cards in the deck.

I suppose you really like the three of diamonds on the turn. You've got the 3rd high and the 3rd low right now.You hate most diamonds.You are cautious of an Ace or 7 - they decrease the flush/straight draws against you, but also lower your hand ranking, and also increase the outs for higher boats.You dislike 4, 5 or 6, though they could counterfeit someone else's low.You love/like the non-diamond two's. You're OK with the 2d, if the other three are chasing only the high.There are many ways where you're ending up only with half the pot, or a quarter. The times you scoop though, likely out

Bet $2...if they fold, remember that the next time you flop nothing.You'll get called by an ace...and you may get called/raised by anyone who suspects a continuation bet.

Fold preflop.River is interesting.Remember - only two aces beat you. A8 and AK. Every other Ace is a chop. So, you could be calling to split. That, to me, is reason enough to fold.If he's bluffing, good for him...he'll eventually bluff when you have a stronger hand.There might even be an argument here for folding the turn. On the turn, do you think you're ahead? Or are you just lost? Another reason to fold this hand preflop.If you're ahead on the turn you're ahead on the river (or tied). He isn't raising with Q8 on the turn. As played, I wonder if there's an argument to bet 8