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Game # 110141052: Omaha H/L Pot Limit ($2/$4) 05/15/2006 01:03:58Table "Craven Hill Gardens" (Real Money) Seat 5 is the buttonSeat 4: moneytoburn ($336.45)Seat 5: OmarcusX ($428.35) [button]OmarcusX: posts small blind $2moneytoburn: posts big blind $4>>> HOLE CARDS <<<Dealt to moneytoburn [Kh 3d Ac Qd]OmarcusX: raises $4 to $8moneytoburn: calls $4>>> FLOP <<< [2c Qc 9s]moneytoburn: checksOmarcusX: bets $8moneytoburn: calls $8>>> TURN <<< [2c Qc 9s] [9c]moneytoburn: checksOmarcusX: bets $8moneytoburn: raises $40 to $48OmarcusX: raises $56 to $104moneytoburn: foldsThoughts on line? (player was weak tight, preety sure he would fold naked 9 in this spot)
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A couple questions...How is check calling the flop a bluff?How is checking the turn ( letting him commit himself to the pot) a bluff?And for those of you thinking I should fold on the flop, remember that a 10 high board is THE perfect board to bluff at on the flop. -
easy play to simply repop and get it in a slight dog against set.Other line to check call and lead in any safe turn/ check fold to a brick and pot.I guess it really depends on mood and if you want to gamble there, the way the table had been playing would be a huge factor on my decision. Though I am probably getting in on flop 75% of time.
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pot the flop.Easy Call the way it was played.
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When he leads into you on the river, do you really think he has 2 pair or a set?Easy call
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don't raise from SB preflop
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Stop when you run out of chips!!!!!!!!!Even if he has the best hand that can fight your hand AA25, you still have 10% positive equity. About 32% for you to take high, while only 22% for him.This is a dream situation, there was no reason to stop. Unless underolled and afraid of the variance, you should have continued to raise till its all in the middle ..............
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The way the hand was played I think my only play on river was to check/call here. Anyways, here are the results........... Dealing River ** : [ Qs ] moneytoburn5 checks.wdwmkr checks.nmbigjim checks.** Summary **Main Pot: $336 | Rake: $3Board: [ Qd 9c 2d As Qs ]wdwmkr balance $536.22, lost $107 [ Kd Jh 7c Jd ] [ two pairs, queens and jacks -- As,Qd,Qs,Jh,Jd ]nmbigjim balance $459.10, lost $107 [ 8h Ad 4s 3h ] [ two pairs, aces and queens -- Ad,As,Qd,Qs,8h ]
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I definitely agree that completing the SB with this type of hand can lead to huge problems and hard decisions.I gave serious thought to check raising the turn here, and in retrospect I feel like this is the best play. From the turn action, I strongly felt like I had the best hand. I could have made it $366 on the check raise and committed myself to a pot as a decent favorite.
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call on flop (don't reraise), fold on turnYou do not want to make a big pot with such a vulnerable hand
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Only at table for a few rounds, No real reads.I probably only complete SB 50% of time, but I limped here with all the extra money from the posters.I hit middle set but on a very draw heavy board. How is my line here? ***** Hand History for Game 3868576480 *****0/0 Omaha Hi/Lo Game Table (PL) - Sat Apr 01 20:15:54 EST 2006Table Table 95187 (No DP) (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: wdwmkr ( $643.22)Seat 2: nmbigjim ( $566.10)Seat 3: Ms_BOSS ( $120)Seat 4: wallie50 ( $157)Seat 5: moneytoburn5 ( $573)Seat 6: HARD2HANDLE3 ( $600)Seat 7: marcomsh ( $583.50)Seat 8: NatGreene ( $236.25)Seat 9: UnifiedHeart ( $797)Seat 10: ColonelJoker ( $600)moneytoburn5 posts small blind (3)HARD2HANDLE3 posts big blind (6)ColonelJoker posts big blind (6)Ms_BOSS posts big blind (6)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to moneytoburn5 [ Ts, 9d, 9s, Ac ] marcomsh folds.NatGreene folds.UnifiedHeart folds.ColonelJoker checks.wdwmkr calls (6)nmbigjim calls (6)Ms_BOSS checks.wallie50 folds.moneytoburn5 calls (3)HARD2HANDLE3 checks.** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qd, 9c, 2d ] moneytoburn5 checks.HARD2HANDLE3 checks.ColonelJoker checks.wdwmkr bets (17)nmbigjim calls (17)Ms_BOSS folds.moneytoburn5 calls (17)HARD2HANDLE3 folds.ColonelJoker folds.** Dealing Turn ** : [ As ] moneytoburn5 checks.wdwmkr bets (84)nmbigjim calls (84)moneytoburn5 calls (84)** Dealing River ** : [ Qs ] moneytoburn5 ?????
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Repot. I don't see a case for calling. Are you really considering to call the $20 on the flop and check/fold for $36 on the turn if unimproved? I think the best order of lines would be 1.) repot 2.) fold 3.) call
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anybody have a link?
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SB complete is fine,check/3 bet on flop to isolate button.PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Omaha/8 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with [Kc], [Ts], [7s], [Ad]. 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) [Qd], [4s], [Jh] (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB calls, CO calls.Turn: (4 BB) [Th] (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero raises, BB calls, CO calls, Button calls.River: (12 BB) [7h] (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button checks.Final Pot: 12 BBHow do you play this flop? I've played some O8 but not a whole lot, still learning how to play certain hands. I thought this one was intereseting. -
Hand 1: Stack sizes would be nice to know here. I'm not sure what Sb is doing in this hand..... With no read on BB it is fairly certain that he has A 2 as well. With the weak mini raise pre flop it looks as though he will push his nut low if he gets there, essentially quartering out of all are chips if SB has some sort of high. With that thinking, I pot here with some fold equity from the SB and trying to get it heads up with BB where at least we have a chance to get 3/4. Reads would help a lot in this hand.............. Hand 2: Pot the flop when it gets back to you, I don't really see a case for anything else.
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Pot the flop
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I have become addicted to heads up limit hi/low lately. So much that will not even play 3 handed. Something about that game which is so appealing in terms of being able to get deep inside opponents head and just trying to extract every possible chip that they will let you have. Being able to instantly switch it up when they start to adjust and just really sticking it to them in ways they just cant seem to understand. I have had people in last week call me a bot, lucky ass etc. Very fun. As for what makes the best players. It is the same as in any game, aggression with superior post flop play. Being able to adapt to table and play style that is fit to winning. The most important thing in all cash games, being able to minimise your losses and maximise you wins. I cant tell you how many times I have seen the better PLO8 players beat a game for 5x or 6x a buy in, while almost never seeing a weaker player beating the game for more than 3x. For being a good PLO8 player specifically, it may require a bit more math and ability to be rational. By rational, I mean being able to lay down THE NUTS when times see fit. This is something that many many Holdem players simply can and will not do EVER.
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Well with read, his range of potting it preflop may be any A or any 2 low cards. So limp should imply a really nasty hand like 3 of a kind of some kind of semi connected high card hand . When he repots to you, looks like you he may have hit pot hard considering his range that he limped preflop and fact that you had been playing relatively tight towards him. So when he still pots it back to you it shows considerable strength.I think I would strongly considering folding this, as YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND A MUCH BETTER SPOTS THEN THAT. As ChamonyX pointed out, what are you really ahead of?Sorry Cham, I just realized how my read on this guy would come in to play (and how I left it out of the OP)...This guy was playing super-aggressively. Usually when I would flat-callpre-flop, he would pot it back to me out of the BB, and I had been foldinga lot of marginal hands to him. I was surprised to even see a flop in this case. I didn't put him on either of the 2 (flush draw or trips) thatyou mentioned, and thought at worst I'd be up against a wrap, or a solid low draw needing to hit running cards. -
Do you guys like the lead on flop here? I more often then not check raise in this spot.If checked around, I don't think I am loosing that much value as the times like this when I bet and get everybody calling building odds to draw out on me on further streets.EDIT* As usual ChamonyX already said it
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Game # 99169097: Omaha H/L Pot Limit ($2/$4) 03/05/2006 14:52:45Table "Craven Hill Gardens" (Real Money) Seat 8 is the buttonSeat 2: kamsdad ($52.70)Seat 3: Dim ($1195.08)Seat 5: moneytoburn ($490.80)Seat 8: RayZ ($879.25) [button]Seat 9: Racht ($370.42)Racht: posts small blind $2kamsdad: posts big blind $4>>> HOLE CARDS <<<Dealt to moneytoburn [6d Ac 4s 3h]Dim: calls $4moneytoburn: calls $4RayZ: foldsRacht: calls $2kamsdad: checks>>> FLOP <<< [Qh 7h 5d]Racht: bets $16kamsdad: calls $16Dim: foldsmoneytoburn: calls $16>>> TURN <<< [Qh 7h 5d] [2s]Racht: bets $64kamsdad: calls $32.70 and is all-inmoneytoburn???????Game is really wild, lots of money moving around.What is play here?
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ChamonyX posting a link a while ago to a smash post where he said that you should never raise out of the Blinds unless you have enough equity to commit yourself to the pot. I have been thinking about this and have watched my own play in Binds and some of the better players to whom I respect. I notice that when they do raise out of blinds it is typically in a multi way pot and their raise is much more for value often making it just $6 in 1/2 game or $12 2/4 when they could have simply potted it. Anyways, as for this hand. It is an example of what happens when raising out of SB is very wrong. For my play, I will often open raise the pot preflop about 50%-75%%. This is fairly standardThoughts? Game # 96093798: Omaha H/L Pot Limit ($1/$2) 02/15/2006 13:03:42Table "Aldwych" (Real Money) Seat 3 is the buttonSeat 1: dredmahawkus ($80) >>>> sat outSeat 2: moneytoburn ($124.43)Seat 3: Dim ($142.60) [button]Seat 4: Getaria ($184.30)Seat 5: Pauly P ($47.90)Seat 6: SplitOpen+Melt ($100) >>>> sat outSeat 8: ThreeUp3Down ($78)Seat 9: UrChipQueen ($33.70)Getaria: posts small blind $1Pauly P: posts big blind $2>>> HOLE CARDS <<<Dealt to moneytoburn [5s Ac 5c Qs]ThreeUp3Down: foldsUrChipQueen: foldsmoneytoburn: calls $2Dim: foldsGetaria: calls $1Pauly P: raises $6 to $8moneytoburn: calls $6Getaria: folds>>> FLOP <<< [8h Qh Ts]Pauly P: bets $8moneytoburn: raises $34 to $42Pauly P: foldsmoneytoburn: uncalled bet ($34) returnedmoneytoburn: doesn't show handmoneytoburn: collects $32.30 from the pot>>> SUMMARY <<<Total pot $34.Rake $1.70Board: [8h Qh Ts]Seat 2: moneytoburn won ($32.30)
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Youu shold be folding a lot of hands out of SB. Even with 11 to 1 odds, there are few hands that will make the nuts and hold to the river. It is just to hard to protect a weak hand OOP like that.
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I probably just call the raise here. This is a hand I don't mind seeing a flop with even if its multiway. I'm thinking there's only one A left out there at most, so I let the others come along and hope to win a big pot here.
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sorry, still newbie. was met to quote rusty's post
Lhe Has Me Tilting, So I Bought In To Some Plo8
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pot the flop