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quoted to add the only fact I know

The most ironic fact of all of this crap is that even if he had been successful and blown up the plane, it would have come down in Canada anyway, approx 20mins from where I live.Source

In what sense though? In that they had potential information about this person well in advance of the incident yet only had him on a watchlist and not the "no fly" list. I won't disagree with you there -- but this was a much bigger failure on the part of the screeners at whatever airport he originally cleared through. The USA can make their system as tight as they want and it still is only as good as it's weakest point.

I think this will really hurt the air travel industry as a whole. There are reports of delays >6hours at the Toronto airport for flights departing to US airports. A pile of the flights have ended up just being cancelled altogether.If faced with having to travel to NYC, Chicago or basically anywhere on the east coast, I'd rather just drive there than have to sit in the airport all day for a flight that may or may not ever get off the ground. Agree that it's a complete overreaction to subject all passengers to the extra scrutiny and restrictions on carryons. Also, not letting people out o

Wow we've lit a fire under RoyalTour here...I haven't seen him post this much since the fcp weekend stuff.Any chance RT=Isil??? lol

Come on. There's no possible way this can be true.I call bullshit on all sides of this stupid story.

come on, we all know who this is...

Agree with bob 100%, way better than backing a random young gun poker player. Awesome move to market to bowlers imo - people with disposable income, older crowd, less tech savvy (for the most part anyway). Kudos to FTP if this is true.

this is such a dumb argument. I never said they should have given him a high sticking penalty.

new twist to the story today, Liambis joins the Bloomington PrairieThunder (wtf?) of the IHLhttp://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=300925Should they not respect the suspension from the OHL?

Upon review of the nhl rulebook, the referee could have given a misconduct penalty under rule 22, which says a misconduct can be given for: Even that I think would have been sufficient. BigD, I think we're arguing ourselves in circles here. The issue is that he was swinging his stick around like an idiot. It doesn't matter that he hit his own teammate. If he'd smashed the ref in the head or if the shaft had flown in to the stands and hit a fan, they should all have the same consequences.

You're missing the point. There's not a single person anywhere that thinks he meant to hit Vokoun. What some of us are saying it that you are solely responsible for controlling your stick while on the ice. Follow through on a shot and clip a guy in the face -- that's high sticking, whether you meant to do it or not. Cut the guy, it's a double minor or major. The rules of hockey don't distinguish between "accidental" high sticking and intentional.I'd bet if they gave him even a game or two, that would be the end of guys smashing their sticks recklessly out there.

Exactly. Send the message that you're responsible for your actions, no matter what your intentions were. Send the message that swinging your stick like a neanderthal will not be tolerated. The fact that he hit his own goalie was just dumb luck, but I never understood why the refs put up with guys smashing their sticks in the first place. That's a good way to earn yourself a seat in the box in any game that I'm reffing.

Agree. A game or two would be plenty, just to set the precedent that the behaviour won't be tolerated.

I think the league has every right to suspend him. Whether it was intentional or not, he injured someone with his carelessness. If the shaft had broken from him smashing it on the net and flown in to the stands injuring a fan, what would the punishment have been? This is no different.

Was nice of him to, ya know, hang around and make sure his goalie was ok afterwards or show any concern. On the clip anyway it looked like Vokoun lay there pretty much on his own until the trainer got to him...

Can a ref even call a penalty on such a play? I guess you could bink him with an unsportsmanlike conduct? Never seen anything like that.

Guess we'll find out...For anyone that hasn't seen the clip yethttp://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip241337#clip241337Wtf, Keith Ballard....Is this a suspendable offense though??

how about tonight?

no degens tonight?

Start early tonight? Didn't end up having much time to play last night

will be needing a 4th shortly

damn americans and your thanksgivings...can't get a 4th, maybe try again in an hour or two

need 1 more

i'm at our usual table, just need a 4th now