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Just cause the opening raises are larger live and people seeing the flop are higher. pots getting bigger faster and you have to be pretty deep to have 3 streets of tough decisions.Why is 65 BBs the equivalent of 40 BBs live? -
Stacks you can't bet/fold, so that's obviously out. So the real question is do you have value against a naked K here. Not thinking of results (cause results are non-sense here) He's going to be stick with one pair here if he thinks you're bluffing a draw. If you've completed, he's likely just to give up now. If you check to him, he's usually going to check behind. So IMO, you usually dont' have a value bet here. I think you can C/F here a lot since if he bets, he should have you beat pretty badly.
I hate hands like this. He called you down for two streets cause he thought he was catching a bluff and then he turns his hand into a bluff. I guess it makes sense since a check showing you weren't semi bluffing, but just sorta weird.Decided to go with the c/c edit: I was right this time but in the long run I dont know if this is the most profitable play -
yeah. i think we can. I think we put him on Adxd here almost always (obviously this not being one of those times though)For the turn, since he's not solid, he's probably limping q8, 810, 68. Still a c/fcan we ever fold the flop after his 2nd minraise? I know we flopped the flush and everything but seeing that he limped a set on that board is unlikely and his repeated minraises scream strength to me. Best case on the flop we're up against QdT, AdX, KJ, J9. That turn eliminates AdX hands, and QdT is now beating us. I think the turn is a c/f. -
I bet/fold. This flop hit so many hands in the mouth that you should have seen a raise from two pair and set type hands on the flop. 3-way, this board should just be playing much faster if you're up against a big but vulnerable hand. You could easily be up against 2 draws here. If Button or BB wake up with a raise, they probably flopped the nuts and are thanking god that a diamond didn't pop the turn.
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Push. You have TPTK with the equivalent of 40bb's (since its live). million more combination of draws, weaker kings and retarded underpairs that the BB can be hold then a 7. If some one caught it, so be it. You're not nearly deep enough to fold this.
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45, 56 of spades. Tone of the thread obviously leads to this is a bluff that called down, but I really think the hand's played like a very convincingly strong hand. I'd have a hard time pulling the trigger with a one pair hand here (especially since I'd given up the lead and gotten 3barreled into). This call would become easier the more aggro-retarded some one is, but against some one on the taggish side, I'd be dumping less than 10+s up most of the time.huh?What 2 pair could hero conceivably have here by the river?I just read the thread and saw the results, but when I was first reading this I thought Cobalt had specifically KQ and seemed like a decent spot to bluff given the action...I still think you'll get looked up by hands such as AT and better here though. Not every time of course, kinda depends on how good/bad the guy you're playing (obviously) and the game flow/history going on at the moment.- Jordan -
Well conversely, by pushing and not betting a borderline thin value bet, you've applied a lot more pressure on marginal one pair hands.I really agree with Moneyball's analysis, yeah. Villain didn't quite meet that cutoff on deciding to call though. He called with the KJo and beat my 9c8c. =/It's still a somewhat interesting hand when you're aware of my cards, but I thought it'd lead to more discussion when presented this other way. Now that you know my cards though, I did start to question the river shove. If I put him on a busted draw, I could've gotten away with betting less. -
Agree with most. Turn should be $20 and the river turns into a shove.
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3-bet flop. Villian only needs to fold 25% of the time. (Assuming he doesn't have trips, which not a lot of us are giving hiim credit for)
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I think this action is an underpair most times. If I'm going to bet, I'm torn between $25 and $30 since I want to make it look like a missed draw since that's all I think he's going to pay. I'd probably say $25 even though $30 looks more like a bluff. Only two hands I could worry about here are AK and KK. (AK because he may c/r us off a chop) but I agree that the doesn't check the turn and river often with these hands.
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So you are really basically back to Moneyball's first range where you needed KJ+ to call.Let me define the read a bit more...I think I used to play with this guy a year or two ago and recalled him being slightly loose-passive. I didn't fully remember the extent though. Mostly, I was putting him on a busted a draw. Therefore, I would check the river with small value (pairs less than a jack) and shove higher values (TP2K+) and bluffs. -
My thoughts: SB vs. CO 3-betting range preflop against an unknown, is a bunch of pairs and a bunch of big cards. Take it for what you want, but it probably looks something like AJ+ and 77+. After his flop lead, he's got 13.5 left and you don't know enough about him to be able to figure out if he fires a second barrel or gives up and C/F's the turn if you're ahead. So do you call off on the 2s, or are you folding? It's basically a blind move since you don't know what he's willing to do here. Also, getting them in (flop or turn) is a blind move too (especially since he's got less than the pot left and we could not have anticipated he'd make this little 1/3 pot bet). Atleast if I bet the flop, I've charged hands that are drawing to 10 outs against me. Also, you have the added benefit that he may incorrectly fold the flop with AK and give you some free equity.Expand on this thought please. There are some ok conditions for shoving in flop but mostly it's a bad bad move. And your logic here is incorrect for shoving -
Missed the bluffs that were in there. Thought it was all made hands.Yeah we almost have 50% equity against this range, but if you take out the bluffs, KQs and 98s, assuming that it is never profitable to bluff a loose passive then AJ only has 25% equity. So then the worst hand Cobalt should be called with is 54 which gives him 57.692% equity against Cobalts range. -
C/C turn an re-evaluate river. Over 30 hands, you can't say he's as nitty as his stats would suggest, so he could have AJ here quite a bit. You have a ton of cards in the deck that can get you a free showdown if you're ahead here.If the deuce of diamonds falls and you're bet into again, I guess we have to call anything that looks like a thin value bet 1/2 pot - and fold anything that looks like a big hand trying to get paid.
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QFT. It would take real balls of steel to bluff this board if bet into, and likely little reason for any 2 pair combo to bet it.If opponent doesn't have a K, the board is just as scary for him as it is for us. Which, along with his passivity, makes it less likely that he'll bet the river if checked to, or raise a river bet by us, if he doesn't have the straight. -
Gross bet. Either he's super sneaky, or he's trying to committ you to a river call with this little bet. I think this is a fold on the turn always.I think I might push the flop though, considering I'm going to have a really hard time folding the turn against another under card.
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I could go either way with raising the flop. He's priced you out from floating with two big cards, so his turn bet has to be something. In mymind, he's flopped a set, draw that got there, or bounced into two pair. Fold the turn.
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Trying to figure out what he C/C's the turn with and calls the river with. I would think Kings still bet this turn even though the turn completes a flush, and a flush would too. Does he really go into check/call mode for 2 streets with QQ- hoping to catch Cobalt with a smaller underpair?Well, unless he had a flush or the naked Ac, we're not winning. That's the bad news. The other bad news is that he's never folding a hand better than ours. So checking is good. There really isn't any good news.The hand looks good all around actually. -
I agree with Zach, this has to be a missed draw or weak pair even from a weak passive player. I really think you would have seen more action if you were up against a bigger hand.Not that SB would know this, but I don't think you're usually trying to run over loose passive calling stations. Knowing that, I don't think you're ever holding less than KJ+ here so my range would be the same as Moneyballs: JJ-TT,55,AJs,KJs+,JTs,98s,8s7s,6s5s,5s4s,AJoQuestion on calling against this range with AJ: We seriously have close to 50% equity in the pot calling against that range? That just seems high to me.
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Most people raise the button with a wideeee range and the only people I see fold to 3bets regularly are tags. Most peoples 3bet calling range in position is pretty wide. You need to 3bet preflop for value.I meant a flop 3-bet
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River: as played, if it's check to you, I would think you have to bet the river. Bet the turn too.
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If he's reasonably aggressive, I C/R the turn considering most of the hands that you're looking to get value from are going to be forced into betting to protect their hand against overs. I don't seem him coming up here with 910 alot. If he raised called a 3-bet, he's usually going to be the type to get 'em all in on this flop, so he's either hoping his one pair is going to hold up or he's got AA or a set in which case, I think you just live with it cause I think you have to play it this aggressively.
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Agreed.I think the most reasonable hand for him to show up with is JQ. I see a naked ten popping the turn and a flopped straight popping the flop, so I don't see a ten often, but it's reasonable to think it might be there. I still think it's JQ most often (or JK whatever).Bets like that just confuse the hell out of me, which I guess is the point. I'd like to think that he'd be betting smaller with a full house but this could also be one of those "overbet to look like a bluff" moves. -
I like this hand. You're playing deep, but the 3-bet preflop effectively shortens the stacks. he can be showing up here wtih AQ or AJ here a lot, and the fact that you have 2 kings takes away a lot of the JK and AK combinations out of his range.
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Flat call... C/R turn. You could get a another value bet out of AQ- since your hand could look like a stubborn weak ace, or you may even get some one to run a bluff thinking you have a weakish ace kicker and could fold the turn. I think you're getting another bet a lot on the turn.