[Sng Grinder Thread]

My advice:1) Bankroll management2) Pick a game and stick with it. Bouncing around and trying different things to work on your game is something to save for a bit later when you have a decent roll. Right now your priority should be finding your most profitable game and grinding that.

1. I get this. I was only playing under-rolled because I figured at these lower levels I could deposit another $25 whenever I need to. I could just deposit $75 and be rolled for the $1.10's. I might just do that if I get bored with the $.10 tourneys. The main reason I moved to the $1.10 turbos was due to time. I can play a complete 45 man tourney in about an hour. A 360 man tourney takes about 2.5 hours. My time is limited so I want to get in as many games as possible. 2. I actually thought about that this morning. I was 3-tabling last night with 2 cash tables and 1 tourney and it gets a little confusing jumping from one game to the other. Especially for a noob like myself. I think I'll stick to the turbos for now because I enjoy them more and I don't really have a roll for 2NL anyways. I'll concentrate on mastering these turbos and then branch out once I build a roll and feel more comfortable. I will continue to play the occasional $1 MTT when I can but that's maybe 1 a week or so. My biggest problem is patience. I really need to settle down.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

Not for me, it's not. Hero isn't desperate yet, has a hand with very little showdown value, is shoving against a middle position minraise, and is shoving with several players still to act, including a huge stack sitting in the SB.

This. After reading your second post, I can relate.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

I officially went busto. Turbo $1.10 45-mans kicked my butt. Variance is a bitch. :)No worries. I've deposited another $25 and I'm starting over. This time, I'm grinding the $.10 360-man tourneys until I hit $75 and then I'll move to the $1.10's again. I'm also going to try some cash tables just to mix things up. I want to continue to develop my game and these turbos take out nearly all post-flop play. I will probably play some regular tourneys when I can as well.I've already built my BR to around $33. Let's gogogogogo!!

[Did I Play These 2 Hands Badly?]

First hand - I don't mind the PF raise. I would've likely folded after the flop, though. That's a lot of chips to chase weak flush and straight draws with 2 overcards. Second hand - Push or fold depending on the table and if you're near the bubble. As is, I'd probably push. You need some chips badly here and that's a decent hand to double up, IMO.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

Don't forget fold equity, you have to factor that in to your overall equity with the push. If there is a 33% chance villain will fold when you push (as an example), giving you the money in the pot, that makes pushing even more +ev. I would push 99 in that hand with very little hesitation.

True. But the problem with these micro tourneys is that FE isn't much of a factor until you're on the bubble. I've been called down with some ridiculous hands in those $.10 tourneys.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

I'd say you're gonna be a decent favourite over a limp/calling range. By decent favourite I mean 60%+ - which is a huge edge for a 10 BB stack to take.Against 2 overs youre going to be around 55% depending on suits.

That's what I figured. I can see how limping could be a bad move here now. The more you have in the pot, the less advantage you have. Shoving may be close to a coinflip but maybe you can isolate and improve your odds. I didn't think about the extra players in the hand. Thanks for helping me plug a leak! I'll have to start shoving with confidence now. Just for giggles, is there any situation here where you would fold 99? For example, if a bigger stack shoves into you? if 2 or more bigger stacks shove into you? Let's assume you have 10 BB as in the case above.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

Status report:Moved into the $1.10 45-man turbos last week and I'm doing pretty well. It was quite an adjustment from the $.10 360-mans so I took a big hit to begin with but I'm starting to make profit daily over the last few days. It's not like the level of play is that much better. It's just the pacing of the tourney is different. My biggest challenge now is to stop getting knocked out in 6th and 7th place all the time. Over 50 games I have the following finishes:1st - 02nd - 23rd - 04th - 05th - 26th - 37th - 4I'm in the money 22% of the time but it's not enough to be profitable overall. ROI is -18% ATM. I'm getting to the bubble most times but struggle from there. I'm going to try and play for the win more instead of playing for the money. I need some more 3rd and 4th place finishes to get in the black. Current BR is at $38 after my last $25 deposit. I know I'm seriously underrolled for these tourneys but I really don't mind depositing $25 every 2 weeks or so if I need it until I can build it up a little. I'd rather be a little more aggressive now and I'll tighten the BR after I get past $100. Once I get past $100, I'm going to mix in some $2.20 180-mans but my main focus will be to grind turbos to $165 where I can start playing $3.25 45-mans. I'm also going to mix in a few big MTT's for fun. My ultimate goal is to get very good at those big tourneys so any practice I can get is good.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

You should never limp here. Ever.You should definitely be winning with 99 and TT. If you're losing, it's probably because you limp in spots like this.

I disagree about the "definitely be winning" part. If it were folded to you and you are sitting in the CU or on the button, then a shove is a no-brainer. But in this spot, the OP has a little over 10bb, is 3rd to act on full ring where 1 has already limped in, and has one of the smaller stacks at the table. 99 and TT is a good hand but not a solid winning hand. I'm only shoving if I'm desperate at this position. Can someone run the numbers of your odds when someone calls with 1 or 2 overcards? I'm thinking it's 60/40 at best. That's a winning hand, sure, but that's not much better than a coinflip. Then again, this could be a major leak in my game. :)ETA: I just noticed it's a $.10 game. I'd probably play a lot looser in this case so a shove would probably be my move. Those tourneys are crazy. People calling with 76 and stuff. Worth a shot for a dime. If I'm playing with more cash, then I'm probably playing a bit tighter. Possibly another leak in my game. I'm still learning here.

[How Would You Play This Tournament?]

With those deep stacks, I think I'd play pretty tight for a long time and try to make the big hands really count. No need to get too crazy early for small pots. Preserve chips as much as possible and as the blinds get bigger, ramp up the aggression.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

And what do you do if someone raises you, fold?Def a shove spot with 9s there.

I hate the 9s. and the 10s for that matter. I hate to fold if I'm raised but I don't like shoving either. Can I check? :)In real-time, I'd probably alternate depending on the table. If the others are limping in all the time, then a limp is a decent move here, IMO. Other times I shove. I swear I lose more with 99 and 1010 than any other hand.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

PokerStars Game #38492636338: Tournament #234476060, $0.10+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/01/21 13:14:04 CET [2010/01/21 7:14:04 ET]Table '234476060 18' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: xameleon33 (2480 in chips) Seat 2: M0JI0T (4385 in chips) Seat 3: Sklejkov (925 in chips) Seat 4: Tszen TI (3698 in chips) Seat 5: greeno53 (1750 in chips) Seat 6: Eba12 (2100 in chips) Seat 7: ELIBETA (2125 in chips) Seat 8: lauwman (15520 in chips) Seat 9: Jalisc0 (5570 in chips) M0JI0T: posts small blind 100Sklejkov: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Eba12 [9s 9h]Tszen TI: folds greeno53: calls 200Eba12: raises 1900 to 2100 and is all-inELIBETA: raises 25 to 2125 and is all-inlauwman: calls 2125Jalisc0: folds xameleon33: folds M0JI0T: folds Sklejkov: calls 725 and is all-ingreeno53: calls 1550 and is all-in*** FLOP *** [3c 9c Jd]*** TURN *** [3c 9c Jd] [4c]*** RIVER *** [3c 9c Jd 4c] [Ac]*** SHOW DOWN ***ELIBETA: shows [Kc Th] (a flush, Ace high)lauwman: shows [Jh Ks] (a pair of Jacks)ELIBETA collected 50 from side pot-3 Eba12: shows [9s 9h] (three of a kind, Nines)ELIBETA collected 1050 from side pot-2 greeno53: shows [3d Td] (a pair of Threes)greeno53 is sitting outELIBETA collected 3300 from side pot-1 Sklejkov: shows [Tc Qh] (a flush, Ace high - lower cards)ELIBETA collected 4725 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 9125 Main pot 4725. Side pot-1 3300. Side pot-2 1050. Side pot-3 50. | Rake 0 Board [3c 9c Jd 4c Ac]Seat 1: xameleon33 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: M0JI0T (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: Sklejkov (big blind) showed [Tc Qh] and lost with a flush, Ace highSeat 4: Tszen TI folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: greeno53 showed [3d Td] and lost with a pair of ThreesSeat 6: Eba12 showed [9s 9h] and lost with three of a kind, NinesSeat 7: ELIBETA showed [Kc Th] and won (9125) with a flush, Ace highSeat 8: lauwman showed [Jh Ks] and lost with a pair of JacksSeat 9: Jalisc0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)wtf man lol I feared some Aces or Kings but I didnt expect this

That's rough but it happens. I've been playing 99 very cautiously lately after losing with them so much. With a little over 10bb left and in early position, I probably would've limped in. In late position, I'm shoving. Considering the flop, I would've shoved then anyways so unless someone shoved PF, I'd be broke as well after this hand.

Full Tilt Poker Game #17776106325: $11 + $1 Matrix 4x Sit & Go (134231115), Match 4 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:25:31 ET - 2010/01/21Seat 1: MrZigster (1,485)Seat 2: FHWiesbaden (1,155)Seat 3: mwald10924 (1,470)Seat 4: oreore (1,980)Seat 5: blocka666 (1,500)Seat 6: Bay View Bandit (1,500)Seat 7: surrounding (1,500)Seat 8: necka (1,410)Seat 9: DaemonReich (1,500)mwald10924 posts the small blind of 15oreore posts the big blind of 30The button is in seat #2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to DaemonReich [9c 9h]blocka666 foldsBay View Bandit calls 30surrounding foldsnecka calls 30DaemonReich ?????????Weird spot here for me. I don't like limping 99. Thoughts?

Limp this early in the tourney.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

I'm re-shipping with a much wider range than this. Hero's shove is a desperation shove, and I'm sitting with only 3BB myself. The 900 chips already in from the blinds represent half my stack, so I'm getting 2:1 on my money just against the initial shover. Odds are even better if someone else comes along for the ride. I'm re-shipping anything with any showdown value whatsoever.

Agreed. That's a leak for a lot of people, playing cards rather than paying attention to stacks and position.

So are you two saying that the OP's shove was a bad idea? Even if I'm wrong in guessing the villian's range, I still think he has to shove with the 55. He only has 2bb left and the blinds are going to hit him next hand.

Holy ****, every time I push tonight I either get sucked out on (KK<A8) or I run into a big hand (QQ into KK, AJs into AA, A8s into AA, 66 into JJ...) or I lose the damn coinflip. One after the other after the other. Please tell me this is going to end...

I feel ya. Last night I got bumped out of 4 tourneys in a row, all around the bubble, all with dominating hands PF, all beaten with runner-runner straights. Ridiculous.

Yup, easy shove especially since you're about to get hit by the blinds again.

This. That's a pretty decent hand to shove UTG, IMO.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

PokerStars Game #38395166364: Tournament #233799061, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2010/01/19 13:02:40 CET [2010/01/19 7:02:40 ET]Table '233799061 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: prex80 (1855 in chips) Seat 2: FlishFokus (4195 in chips) Seat 3: Fritze (6335 in chips) Seat 4: tomovermeers (2605 in chips) Seat 5: Bl_lyNx (1605 in chips) Seat 7: fagge83 (6020 in chips) Seat 8: Eba12 (1190 in chips) Seat 9: Sarwi (5630 in chips) Bl_lyNx: posts small blind 300fagge83: posts big blind 600*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Eba12 [5d 5s]Eba12: raises 540 to 1140 and is all-inSarwi: folds prex80: raises 665 to 1805 and is all-inFlishFokus: folds Fritze: folds tomovermeers: folds Bl_lyNx: folds fagge83: folds Uncalled bet (665) returned to prex80No question about shoving here right? But with what kinda hand would you call here if you were prex3?

No problem with your shove here. IMO, he's probably calling with a higher pair or face cards. Maybe an Ax. So how did it turn out?

[Sng Grinder Thread]

With such a small roll you're safer staying away from the $1 45-turbos (I assume that's what you were talking about). You're way under-rolled for those. If you're going to play $1 SnGs, stick with the STTs. Much lower variance.

Yeah. I realize even with the $25 in reserve, (essentially gives me $40) I'm still underrolled. The way I'm running hot on the $.10 360's, I'll probably just stick with those for a while. My ROI on those is insane.My main reason to get some $1 45-turbos in was to increase my volume. I can do 2 of those in the time it takes to do 1 $.10 tourney.

[Right Play?]

no what i am saying is he is the chip leader an he had jack jack vs a limper he cant chek there an see a flop you kno that and he cant raise then when the other guy raise's fold so what he's best play was pushing that way he had f/e = fold equalty the chance the guy will fold an he will just win the pot there who knew he limped 2 ace's i mean come on 2 ace's should of just open shoved there self

Translation: What blakheart said.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

Weekend started rough. I took a shot at the $1 turbos and failed to finish ITM 10 of 11 tourneys with only a min money finish in there. Not a big deal but I'm operating on a very small BR so that was a huge shot. Basically, I've decided to start with the $15 in my BR and see what I can do. I have $25 to deposit if needed but I'm trying to see if I can do this without it. When I went on that downswing, my BR fell to $5 so I went back into the $.10 turbos and quickly built my BR up to around $15. I took 2 more shots at the $1 turbos and placed 5th in one of them. I'm starting to understand them a little more, I think. Currently sitting at $16 now. I will continue to mix $.10 and $1 tourneys in until I have a big enough BR to hit the $1 regularly. My goal is to hit $1000 so I can grind the $11 turbos and play various MTT's. I'm hoping to get their by summer but it's going to be tough.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

Here was a super-turbo hand I had to think about...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 1.7 Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (UTG+1) (t285)MP1 (t315)MP2 (t315)CO (t255)Button (t675)SB (t270)BB (t285)UTG (t300)Hero's M: 4.75Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 10, A1 folds, Hero???Do you shove this? Or too marginal in this position?

Shove. A10 is a good hand in a tourney like this.

Here's another awkward spot.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 1.7 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG (t240)MP (t195)CO (t825)Hero (Button) (t475)SB (t500)BB (t465)Hero's M: 6.33Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 103 folds, Hero ???

Fold. Although I wouldn't fault you for shoving. If the stacks in front of you were smaller, then I'd shove all day. As it is now, I don't like it as much.

I don't, I hopefully can get a copy. I'll work on it, gotta get a hold of Intypol who has the copy that I know of. Make sure you have VLC cause it's an AVI file and it occasionally won't play in QTP.

I'd like a copy of this as well. If anything, it'd be nice to see what strategies the regs are using.

I like sunday Just took down a 4.40 mtt for $2526 i even tried to get them to chop with 3 left glad they didnt.PokerStars Game #38323260507: Tournament #230841895, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XLV (80000/160000) - 2010/01/17 18:27:55 ETTable '230841895 108' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: blurred1 (8840811 in chips) Seat 2: madeinN (3219189 in chips) blurred1: posts the ante 20000madeinN: posts the ante 20000madeinN: posts small blind 80000blurred1: posts big blind 160000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to blurred1 [Qh Td]madeinN: raises 3039189 to 3199189 and is all-inblurred1: calls 3039189*** FLOP *** [Qd 3h Kd]*** TURN *** [Qd 3h Kd] [2h]*** RIVER *** [Qd 3h Kd 2h] [9c]*** SHOW DOWN ***blurred1: shows [Qh Td] (a pair of Queens)madeinN: shows [4s Ah] (high card Ace)blurred1 collected 6438378 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 6438378 | Rake 0 Board [Qd 3h Kd 2h 9c]Seat 1: blurred1 (big blind) showed [Qh Td] and won (6438378) with a pair of QueensSeat 2: madeinN (button) (small blind) showed [4s Ah] and lost with high card Ace

Wow! Congrats!!! I hope I'm as successful as you are in my BR building adventures!

[Any Way To Get Away From This?]

You have to shove here. Most likely a bad beat but that happens. I've folded hands like these in the past only to find it was a donk chasing a flush draw. Stick to your guns. And bullets.

[Deep In A Turbo]

This is the scary part of turbos and I hesitate at these spots as well. If there was a bet in front of you, I'd fold but with no action to you, it's the perfect spot to steal the blinds. If you are called, you're aren't dead. More than 80% of the time they fold which makes this a very profitable move.Shove!

[Sng Grinder Thread]

Stay out of $12s for a while. They've become insanely reg-heavy since TheLipoFund put his video out on 2+2.

It'll be a while before I get to that level. I'm hoping by summer or so but who knows with my schedule.Off to find that video!

[Sng Grinder Thread]

These pokerz iz eazy!!I'm really killing these $.10 360-man turbos. After watching that 45-man video posted in this thread, I applied those concepts to these tourneys and it's really working. I realize that I'm probably just on a heater but I think I might have found the game for me. I've avoided turbos because of the luck factor and high variance but I like the fast pace and the potential to easily play a serious amount of tourneys as opposed to regular speed tourneys. Since my goal is to build a BR as fast as possible, this seems like the right way to go.Most importantly, I'm having fun for the first time in a while. I'm making a small deposit tonight and will start grinding the $1.10 45-mans immediately. I'm only going to be running at 40 BI's to start so if I hit a significant downswing, I'll jump down to $.10 or just deposit a small amount to keep me going. I want to hit a minimum of 50 BI's before moving up but I'll only move up if I feel that I am ready and I'll always be willing to move down if I hit a wall. The goal is to grind it to $1000 so I can play the $12 45-man turbos and start mixing regular speed tourneys and big MTT's in. The downside of playing the turbos is the total lack of post-flop play. The upside is that it's teaching me to loosen up my game and play more aggressively. I've always been a bit of a nit.

[Atlantic City Underage]

I say go somewhere legal. You'll have enough to worry about at the tables without worrying about getting booted or worse.

[Poker-online Poker-tv's]

Bluray on my new LCD looks like I'm standing right there next to the people, only issue is that the foreground is so clear, that the background kinda looks fake. It's hard to explain without seeing it.

This.My Plasma TV sucks but I've seen some that were so high quality that you could tell the people were acting and the sets were fake. Really took me out of the show and ruined it for me. I love sports in HD, though.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

Question 1: Fold pre, but as played, yes.

This. 64 suited or not is a snap fold at these early levels. Save your chips for later.

idk if anyone here is using poker trackerbut i got a question about WSD (went to showdown) mines fairly high i think being at 57.51% this is based on 4.2k handsi only play 3.25 sngs atm

I don't use PT but that sounds very high. You may be getting involved in too many hands. Either that or you are not betting high enough to steal blinds or push people off their draws.

[Sng Grinder Thread]

Ya, I'd shove.

Me too.