Ninjafoo

Then what did you mean? I posted exactly where h said drug laws (laws, as in going to going to jail n such) slighty increase drug abuse and addiction. I also posted exactly where h said people don't get help for the fear of imprisonment (under the same law that makes them use more). I said that thinking people will use more when they will go to jail for it(after the law has been introduced) and also thinking people wont get help for the same fear of going to jail is illogical. The response was that I need to learn to read, what did I not read correctly out of the quoted posts?

He said it another time but I dont remeber where it was and dont feel like looking.Not to mention never posting said data that shows and increase in drug abuse as direct effect of criminalization. I think you meant to say "You seriously need to interpret what you read as not what you read but something that fits a political stance."

I agree the website is obvisouly biased, but everything is cited. I welcome you to try and disprove all the cited data. If you can leaving only your data on portugal, I will say you win and bow out of that part of the discussion.

Sorry it's just faster and easier for me to do that, and no I'm not Copernicus lol.And my main point here is how illogical it is to think that telling someone they will go to jail will make them use more, while at the same time the fear of going to jail makes them not get help.I agree that no one should have to fear going to jail if they want help.

I was not talking about prohibiton, I was pointing out how drug addiction has direct effect on certain crimes. You seem to think there is never a connection between someone stealing to feed their addiction, and the person's addiction.

I sincerly hope you never come across a meth head who would just as soon kill and rob you and your family as look at you, for no other reason than to feed his addiction. That way you get to stay in the fantasy world that all drug users are nice, polite, good people.Also which civil right is the one that says you have the right to do any and every drug?

Again poor wording on my part since I forgot every post but yours can and has to be taken literally word for word. I should have said you don't have to look very hard to find plenty of stories, where people who have had no criminal past, commit crimes in direct relation to their addiction.

lol. But seriously, when someone gets in an accident and doesn't have their seatbelt on it, on average, makes their injuries worse. Now if the same person doesn't have insurance or money to cover the medical bills, then someone else becomes liable for the costs (the hospital could have to absorb the costs, their kids could have to pay for it because now the family will be in debt for years...etc) or maybe a kid has to grow up without a parent now. So it does affect other people in certain cases, not physically but it does affect other people, and when it happens thousands and thousands of time

That talks of a policy where doctors are essentially taking care of addicts, not addicts being able to use willy nilly. It also says nothing about the number of users.I have to admit I didn't like that format, but it doesn't take away from facts. I also enjoyed how you copied the first line and forgot the other two:Allowing a city park to be used as a "drug legalized" area of Zurich, the number of addicts escalated from a few hundred to over 20,000 within several years. [Roger Cohen, citation above]. Swiss officials now admit that their policy of legalization-decriminalization served to increa

Nobody clicked on my link did they? Everyone keeps saying h has data to back up that legalization works. He posted a link where one country is seemingly having success. I posted a link showing that many countries have tried and failed at legalization. I believe that makes his data the dreaded isolated incident. Here it is again http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/debate/myths/myths4.htmAnd just as an fyi I don't consider myself right wing, or left wing, or democrat, or republican. My father is very republican and I argue against him most of the time. I also think pot should not be classified a

Interesting read on other countries experience with legalizing drugs: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/debate/myths/myths4.htm

This is also a terrible counter, any regular law abiding person would not go out and steal to get their girlfriend a gift, you also don't hear of regular cases where drunks knock over a bank to buy booze. I will agree that you can insert gambling at the casino because there are many people who would have a strong enough addiction to steal for it. The difference is drugs like heroine and meth will take any and every regular law abiding citizen and make them do things they would never dream of doing to get their drug if they can't by other means, or do things they normally wouldn't because it i

Maybe I'm just nuts but can some explain to me how assuming all white cops are racist who will abuse this law, is anything other than racial profiling and racism? Can I have some of the pot you smoke, it some how gives you the ability to read something that is not there, and answer an enitrely different question than what is being asked. I give you this as an example:I said it was unfair for you to skip over things when reading like where I said he had been to rehab many times (in response to you saying the war on drugs probably stopped him from getting help) your reply was, "You gave an examp

I'm still waiting on a response to the hypocrisy of your veiws, i.e. Zero tolerance on one native being questioned over his legal status, but many incidents of crime by illegals, or crimes where drugs were the motivating or direct causing factor, we just have to deal with, and that racism is completely intolerable, unless you're racially profiling every rich white guy as as racist, or every white cop as a racist.

I love how it's been said that drug use is a victimless crime. My biggest hobby is modifying cars. I had an engine build going in december at a friends house because he a had a lot of garage space. This friend had a roommate at the time who had a boyfriend addicted to heroine and had been in and out of rehab many times (didn't work for him once) One weekend he and a few tweaker friends steal my entire engine build (about 8k worth of stuff). He was caught and said he fenced my stuff to a chop shop for money to buy heroine. I will never see my stuff (or the kid, since he disappeared as soon as h

The point of that post was to show how perspective has a lot to do with things. You live in a place where there are help wanted signs in fast food places. That has nothing to do with the fact I live in a place where there are not, where instead there is business closing left and right. It was also to show how your assumption of every white cop being racist, is just as stereotypical and racist as you make out the immigration bill to be. By being just as racist and stereotypical as the people you are worried about, you have equalized your side of the problem.Racism towards, and implying racism c

And your facts for this are where? I would love to see where cutting supply lines, arresting drug dealers, and destroying feilds or factories where the drugs are produced, makes no, as in 0%, difference in the availibility, distribution, and ultimate use in a specific area. Better yet, the data showing that the war on drugs increases use vs. allowing people to go down to the store and pick it up whenever they feel like it. I've not heard of any major company's marketing campaign where they make their product more diffucult to obtain, coca-cola and google don't subscribe to this idea. The assum

According to this http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm Minnesota's unemployment rate is 7.4, Arizona's is 9.6, that puts Minnesota (on the list going from best to worst) at 14 and Az at 33 (with neighboring Ca at 48 and Nv at 50). I don't see help wanted signs at any of the fast food places I go to, not one. I do see places I used to go to shutting down left and right though. To be frank, saying Americans are too rich and lazy to work is stereotyping. Something you said is a big no no (as long as it suits your stance or belief of course). You are in a place where illegal immigration is a n

Driving to phoenix today I was reminded of some of the ludacris things that are allowed in the name of racism. Everyone has heard of the click it or ticket law. Makes sense, it keeps people safe. Did you know in Az you can pile as many people as you want in the bed of a pick up with no seatbelts and hit the freeway? This includes children, who may not have had the choice to sit in the bed, but were put there by their irresponsible parent. Seems pretty stupid to let people do this, and still every attempt made to make it illegal fails. One of the biggest arguments against it everytime is that i

You support drunk driving.Hey they are fun.(Hopefully my sarcasm doesn't go unnoticed yet again, saying meth is ok because only some people go on murdering trips would be the same as saying drunk driving is ok because you only crash sometimes)

Where do you get that I said the war on drugs is a complete failure, there is no war on prescription medication, please explain.

When you get high, you get hungry.When a meth head gets high, he thinks his neighbor is a demon and cuts their head off. Do you see the difference?I'm sure you are going to reply about how you already said "If they made a safe alternative....." Unfortunately that fantasy won't happen, they are not going to be able to make a meth that has no side effects, no addictiveness that consumes their life but, all of the same high. If it were possible I'm sure some huge corporation would have already tried to make a legal safe meth and probably push it through as some sort of pain medicine. It would be

Lol wut? Thinking Meth exists only because there is a war on drugs is beyond absurd. I think it's pretty clear that Meth heads don't give a shit about the law and have access to pot and other drugs, so would you please tell me why they chose Meth? The least you could do is try and make your stance have a tiny bit of logic behind it.