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I started in late position with (7 7) 5. A player brought in with a Q and a J limped before it was folded to me. Now 7 7 5 is not a playable razz hand and J x x has me beat at the moment, but he can't see that I have paired cards so I look at this as a good bluffing opportunity and correctly complete the bet to 60. Everybody folds to the J who calls. I hit (7 7) 5 K and he hits (x x) J A. Even though as far as he knows this is a coinflip, he of course, bets anyway to force us to risk our chips. So now I still have great bluffing potential if he hits bad and I make the call (some of you may think my bluffing potential isn't very good, but trust me, you will see the power of the bluff at the end). I then hit (7 7) 5 K 6 and he gets (x x) J A 8, now even though this is usually a coinflip with me being a slight favorite, but he of course bets anway. So then 6th street comes and I get my beauty card (7 7) 5 K 6 2 against (x x) J A 8 A. Now as far as he knows, he is drawing dead here (against me you are very often drawing dead here). I'm first and make the bet. Now here is the beauty of the bluff. If he folds (which he should, he has 1 cards to get to an 8 low which may be drawing dead right now, and even if he isn't, I can still improve) then great. But if he is a terrible poker player and calls, he has to improve on the river in order to call my final bet. This means that even if he is bad enough to call, assuming he will call me with a T low or better on the river, he can't hit a x, the other x, a J, A, 8, Q, or K. It should also be noted that I have 5 of his low cards! O wait, 1 more thing, I'm drawing to a 7 low! There are so many ways for me to win this hand is unbelievable. Of course, I pair on the river and bet, he hits the miracle 9 and I lose a big pot, aboslutely ridiculous. The guy put himself in such a terrible situation and got lucky. I'm not sure if I'm only suposed to put questions of advice on the forum, but I just found this hand interesting.
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Ok, sorry, but i'm still not risking that many chips on this, it's just not good poker, if you feel the need to call this, than you probably aren't much better than everybody else in the field. These guys in the small stakes tournaments give away chips left and right in much better situations. There is no need to risk your stack on thisAgain, in this instance we can't be knocked out. -
he has AQ in the small blind after everybody folds and the dealer limps, you wanna fold???? No way, if you wanted to just call the blind, I wouldn't look down on that, I sometimes will just call from the small blind or check from the big blind to disguise my hand if I flop an A or a Q, but you're getting 5-1 odds on calling when you almost certainl have the best hand!! If you are folding this preflop here, you are playing WAY too tight
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the chances are, nobody has anything that can call a raise. If they really are calling with all Ax and all Kx, then you are still not only a coinflip statistically, but you are the FAVORITE to win the hand because you are the aggressor. If they don't hit some kinda of pair (especially with Kx), they are going to have a tough time calling anything.
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yeah my first thought was about 500, if he calls, you're pretty much done with the hand unless a J or maybe A or Q, maybe, come out. Even though you can generally expect me to make a continuation bet when only 1 player has called my preflop raise, I don't think a check is THAT bad here (but don't quote me on that)
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Yeah that's based on Andy Bloch and Chris Ferguson's game theory
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Actually I like your point, I'm now convinced check is the right move, as for the whole preflop situation, I didn't see the raise was so small, he should make it 3 bets if he's going to raise. But my point on getting blinded out didn't mean he was getting blinded out, it meant if you sit and wait for AK the blinds are going to eat your stack awfully quickly 4 handed. You're only going to get a hand better than QJ suited about 6% of the time, there is a good chance your hand is best and if you are waiting for a top 6% hand, you are going to see your stack drop awfully quickly 4 handedHero is not close to being blinded out, he has enough room to wait for better spots. And besides, his effective M is low enough here that he should be looking for pushing opportunities, not making min-type raises with speculative hands.That bet is definitely a bad move. Hero has led with almost 25% of his stack and doesn't actually have a hand. The best outcome here is for Hero to steal the pot on the flop, and the best way to do that is to open-push. And if he does get called by a better hand, he's still 2-1 to complete his flush by the river.What would Hero do if SB flat-called on the flop and the turn card didn't improve his hand? Check-fold, leaving himself with 1700 chips? -
Totally, agree, that's why I think this is more difficult than it should be. I'm very rarely a fan of min raises. As for fold, I think it's probably a good fold, but I think you set yourself up to possibly get bluffed out.You have to bet more on the turn to help define your hand. Minraise and then betting less than one half pot on turn? Villain could make this play with a huge variety of hands here. -
this is interesting, gotta go right now, but I'm gonna think about this, be back with my input later
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very nice, now turn that $16,000 into $10,000,000
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fold from the getgo, and fold to the all-in, no reason to risk your chips when you are hoping to be a slight favorite. small pocket pairs are much less playable when the blinds have increased this much. Even if you play them very well, it's hard to get paid off enough to make paying off the times you dont hit, and if you don't hit, it can be a tough hand to play. Say the flop comes like 3 3 6, you may want to keep playing the hand against a small bet even though you're up against something like 4 4, it's ust too risky, I saw throw it away, if not fold then at least raise to too see if you can either win the blinds or go heads up and take the pot with a possible continuation bet
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ah my bad, thanks for pointing that out, then yeah i wouldn't say a fold is too bad, but i still say call, being a blind an all, not to say i'm huge on defending the blind, but the discount has to mean something, and you do have a pretty strong hand, but now that i see it was raised, i like the thought behind folding
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completely agree
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and if anybody disagrees with what i've said i've love to hear your own theories on the bubble sittuation
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When you get down to 5 and espeically 4 players, your play is largerly determined by the stack sizes. If you're the big stack, you cna play more aggressively (but not recklessly, nothing sucks more then going from big stack to bubble boy), let the smaller stacks wait out who gets the money, be cautious if you have smaller stacks showing resistence against your aggression, they usually have a hand. If you are the middle stack, you want to avoid confrontations with the big stack. If you are the middle stack and there r 2 short stacks, be aggressive on them (assuming th big stack allows you), neither of them wanna go out in 4th. If you are the 3rd stack and the short stack is a good amount udner you, play tight, but don't jsut fall asleep and fold every hand. When you have big hand, you have to play, otherwise, make the short stack prove himself. If you are one of he 2 short stacks about even, then play aggressively with decent hands if nobody has entered the pot, otherwise, you want a very good hand. Every blind you take is going to put pressure on the other shortstack to keep up. If he lets you get a good amount ahead of him, go back to playing tighter. If you are the only real short stack, time to get aggressive. This doesn't mean all-in every hand. Go all-in with marginal hands if nobody else has entered the pot. As the small blind, if u can just cal, i would tend to do it, same with checking as the big blind. Be aggressive, but not stupid.
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My early days consisted of showing a small but steady profit in $5.50 9 mans for like a month and then going broke in 1 bad day. This repeated several times, just counld't hold me emotions together on a bad run. After maybe 4 or 5 repeats, I started to hld myself together and slowly became a wining player, taking breaks when you are losing has helped a lot. During the early months of 2007 I dind't play very much, although I did win a 232 player $11 HORSE tournament in January. I took almost all of Febuary off. In March I won a 120 player $11 Razz tournament. Looks like at the begining of April I finished 2nd in a 180 man NL Holdem tournament. Then I went on a bad run and took all of May off. June was a huge month for me, I had back to back 1st place finishes in a 216 player $11 HORSE and a 56 player $5.50 Razz, 2 days later i won another 40 player $11 Razz, 4 days later i won $1600 by chopping 1st and 2nd in 2299 player NL Holdem tournament (unforuntately I sold the majority of my action before it started), this was followed 5 days later by taking another $821 for finishing 2nd in a 612 player $11 NL Holdem tournament. And then another 1st place finish 2 days later in a 60 player $11 Razz tournament, the first half of July started fine, finished 2nd in a 360 player $5.50 NL Holdem tournament (In all of these 2nds in NL Holdem, I had my opponents all-in drawing to 3 outs on the river and every one of them I lost!!!!) Since this however, I have been on a huge losing streak, losing just about everythign I play. I turned 18 in August and got a new account but that hasn't helped. Overall I've made about 4 grand and really feel like things are gonna turn around soon, so watch out
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Wow, never having played one before, good luck with this one. Rebuy tournaments are completely different from regular. There are 2 far away strategies that I'll talk about:Daniel Negreanu strategy: Daniel likes to take a lot of risks and make a lot of all-ins. It's simple, if he builds a big stack, great, if he loses, not only will he jsut rebuy, but he has put more chips on the table that he plans on winning back later. This strategy can be very very expensive, I can't even give you the number on rebuys he made the last couple of rebuy WSOP events, it was insane. However, if things do work out well, you can build a huge stack and go deep. This strategy is based around the fact that you usually arn't a huge underdog in preflop all-ins. Unless you have a lot of money, probably best to not play this way.Phil Hellmuth strategy: Avoid the need to rebuy. I believe he starts off with an immidiate rebuy, but not sure. After that, it's time to play tight. Because there are so many players out there willing to go broke, Phil just waits for big hands and builds a stack that way. He even likes to show up late for these tournaments just avoid the first couple insane rounds. If he gets knocked out, he will probably rebuy, but the idea is to avoid rebuys as much as possible, wait for big hands, and go deep in the tournament. It will be harder to go deep with this strategy, but then again, you don't need to go deep to pay off your entry.I reccomend kinda playing in the middlish, more towards hellmuth play. Wait for big hands, get in cheap pots, and try to bust a few players. Be ready to rebuy at least a couple times + be ready to add-on. The only time I would say you don't need to add-on is if you're so short stacked that you don't think it's worth the extra buy-in to give yourself hope, or maybe if you're a collasal chip leader. Anyway, I'm not the biggest rebuy fan, but that's my advice, good luck
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I'm not liking the check on the flop, although I don't think it's quite as bad as some people might think, I woulda have to say bet. Not only do you have a strong hand that should be bet for value against a weaker ace, but you can use the bet to narrow the field and gain infomration on anyone that may call you. The hand will be much easier to play with less players and will be even easier if everybody folds. As for the river, I'm laying that down in a heartbeat. What NEtwow says is right, so many people make these big bets to look like a bluff. The fact is, if it is a bluff, he'll lose all his chips sooner or later, and if it isn't a bluff (which it probably isn't), then you're making the right fold. Like I said, though, bet the flop to narrow the field, no reason to give a bunch of hands more chances ot beat you. Any hand that you beat on the flop probably leaves you well ahead, but if there are enough hands up against you there are a lot of things that can go wrong.I hate when peopel do stupid crap like that. It's designed to look like a bluff, but overbets and potsize bets on the river are always monsters. No reason to go broke here with just one pair. Let it go and wait. -
Exactly, we can all learn something from Phil Hellmuth about holdem tournamentsIt's the classic "tournament life" argument. The philly H argument... -
Well I said I woudl make the call, I just don't like having my tournament life at risk when I'm only a 2-1 favorite. Yes, I'm calling, but I may very well by getting knocked out, and I'm not happy about thatCrazy, esp since in this instance our tournament life is not even at risk. -
Yes it could be, but you won't really know until you've played enough to tell, you could be the best player in the world and start off getting 9th in your first 3 tournamentsNot necessarily, it could signal a lack of understanding of appropriate bubble strategy and pushing ranges. -
yeah you're right, and I woudl be very surprised if my opponent had those kidna of hands, but at the same time, you never know in the low stakes games. I was mainly just trying to show how hard it was for them to have you in bad shape, even if he played a bad hand and got lucky.As far sa folding preflop, i understand the argument but i disagree completely, it wasn't raised preflop and there is a good ahcne you have the best hand, If you would not look down on a limp and seeing if you can flop a monster, but folding is just too weaki agree with you about shoving, but can you reasonably expect someone to call a raise with these kinds of hands? it's not play money -
I have no problem with the preflop raise. QJ suited is aboslutely raiseable 4 handed. Believe it or not, game thoery allows QJ suited to raise even under the gun 9 handed! Not a fan of that kinds of raise myself, but it's definately acceptable 4 handed. Now i'm not saying you have to raise, but if you are completely against raising, you are playing too tight. Even though tight is right here, you can't just let yourself get blinded out either. I actually don't think the flop bet is so bad either, althought I think check might be best, a bet would only be a slightly worse move (and it might not be worse). There is a very good chance a bet will win the pot and if it doesn't you still have outs. As far as the all in goes, I would fold, but I wouldn't say calling is horrible either. I like to hold on to my chips and outplay later. Overall, I don't think you played nearly as bad as people seem to think, if you did play wrong, it wasn't by much, it's easy for people to say you played wrong AFTER he shoves you all in.
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this is pretty funny, and I think it's a fine hand to post. You have a good stack, I say forget the math, let the hand go. There is no reason to risk your stack here. You can wait for big hands and ride yourself into the final few and play for the money. Don't make this more difficult then it has to be. Also, you don't want to show the hand
A Terrible Razz Hand In The Negreanu Open Horse
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Trust me, I stress tight play a lot in razz, especially early in a tournament and have won my fair share of razz tournaments, but the playing level in the negreanu open tends to be better than most tournaments and MUCH better than normal razz tournaments, but the main point of the play was, even if he can't lay down a hand, I'm still a favorite to win the hand going into the river, unless he is willing to call with a J low when I have 3 low cards showing and have played the hand like I have a real hand, he is gonna have to fold the river if he hits bad, and even if he hits good, I'm still drawing to a 7 low. As for playing the bad starting hand, if it's just me and the J, even if we both go to the showdown, I'm only a slight dog, it's practically a coinflip, and all the other cards left when it was my turn to act were high, there is a great potential to win the hand, it's a coinflip as far as I know and as far as he knows I have the stronger hand.