SwedishAnna

"The enemy of truth is not lies but conviction".... I now believe both sides are convinced they are right.... A cultural thing? Perhaps a "misunderstanding" between the rules of golf (and handicaps- whereby it's self regulation and not playing to a fair handicap for your ability is regarded as cheating ) and proposition betting (Caveat Emptor).... Both sides are convinced of their position and that the other side is behaving appallingly. I know Marc and Ram very well and know them to be honourable ... Phil I've only met a few times .....

I believe the handicap Phil played to when they first played was 26 .... so par for him would be 98 on a 72 par ... added to that that Phil scored in the region of 13 on a par 3 hole .. amazingly on the hole where Ram scored 14 .(I'm not suggesting any impropriety here) .. in Golf handicap terms that 13 would be disregarded and reduced to a 5 ... giving a true score of 8 less... so he claimed a 90 ... less 8 is 82 .. Thats pretty decent shooting for a 26 handicapper.But hey....

Frankly my main point is that this is not a simple and clear cut matter - rather it's a clash of golfing rules with prop bet rules ....and that I can see both sides of the argument.... The two guys who lost were / are of the opinion that they were playing golf by golf rules.. whilst Daniel's mate believes it's prop bet rules.. and therefore anything goes. I know which I believe to be more honourable --- but as I say I can see both sides and my main point was that Daniel has let himself down by rehashing one of the protagonists version of the story and not the other. I would simply say to Danie

I really am quite surprised Daniel has chosen to air one side of a pretty contentious dispute without listening (and airing ) the other. I know the other two involved - and have listened to their side of this misadventure - true I haven't heard Daniel's buddy's side - but in the interest of balance allow me to put their side - as I know it.True, the guys have been playing golf together for 8 months or so, Daniel's mate and his "coach" against the other two.... they played in Vegas and Europe during the summer of 2006.. and true Daniel's buddy lost most of these encounters. As Daniel knows I'm

I really am quite surprised Daniel has chosen to air one side of a pretty contentious dispute without listening (and airing ) the other. I know the other two involved - and have listened to their side of this misadventure - true I haven't heard Daniel's buddy's side - but in the interest of balance allow me to put their side - as I know it.True, the guys have been playing golf together for 8 months or so, Daniel's mate and his "coach" against the other two.... they played in Vegas and Europe during the summer of 2006.. and true Daniel's buddy lost most of these encounters. As Daniel knows I'm

I really am quite surprised Daniel has chosen to air one side of a pretty contentious dispute without listening (and airing ) the other. I know the other two involved - and have listened to their side of this misadventure - true I haven't heard Daniel's buddy's side - but in the interest of balance allow me to put their side - as I know it.True, the guys have been playing golf together for 8 months or so, Daniel's mate and his "coach" against the other two.... they played in Vegas and Europe during the summer of 2006.. and true Daniel's buddy lost most of these encounters. As Daniel knows I'm