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Why would I want people to bluff me more? Because I feel confident enough to catch them most of the time. As long as I realize what I'm doing and why I'm doing it, and then I adjust my game accordingly I don't mind. Plus, I wanted to see the other guy's hand and when I show my hand he feels somewhat more compelled to show his. I feel like I can do more with the information he gives me than he can do with the information I give him.I dont get why people show big laydowns. Why would you want people to bluff you more? If I folded this I would fold it face down and if he showed and asked me what I had I would say 88 or something and just say that there wasnt enough in the pot. Is this thinking wrong? -
I agree with this. My default line with these types of hands is to play them like I would if I flopped a set or two pair. Play aggressively with big draws and it mixes up your play and makes your harder to read.I could see a couple different lines you could take here. First would be raise, making it like 12 or 15. Unless villian has a strong ace he proably can't reraise. It should also shut out the button and small blind increasing out chances of hitting two pair and it being good. We may also take it down right here if villian raised a hand like A6s fearing he was beat. If the villian just calls we can usually get a free card on the turn by checking behind. The one downside to this play is if the villian repops it your pot commited and around a coin flip for 140 bb's. A positive to that though would be showing down a hand like J10 after raising. This should lead to more action on your big hands in the future from observant players, knowing you push draws hard.Just calling may entice others to come in as they will getting pretty good odds. Which in turn increase our pot odds. Regardless of if anyone else calls or not, the problem with this is once the turn blanks were only 32% to win against a hand like AK. So, if the villian fires another big bet around the size of the pot we probably have to fold. Unless you know you'll get the rest of stack every time you hit. I probably lean towards raising this flop just for the benifits of adding fold equity and helping my image down the road if all the money goes in. But, it would probably depend alot on how I feel at the moment, how I'm running, and my fell for the table / player. If I'm running good or not really being able to grind out small pots I probably take a gamble here. But if I think I've got a pretty good comand over the table and how my opponents are playing I probably just call then fold the turn to a large bet. -
Oh, I usually don't. I just did it to ensure that I got to see his hand. Plus I keep track of all the information I give out voluntarily and use that against people later (because I'm awesome, see AK post above).People say don't make big laydowns face up. This clown is going to pay you off sooner or later. He cain't hep imseff. -
I actually bought in for 300, but was still up a little. I was pretty surprised to be bluffed on a board like that, but I wasn't worried. I just wanted to make sure that my laydown was straightforward because some at the table were pretty shocked that I mucked such a strong hand. I just couldn't see a hand I could beat without it being a big bluff, or MAYBE a big draw (Ad10d, Kd10d, etc). Weird hand.after this hand, you're still up money on the day. I assume the max is only 200. and u'll be just under 400 so its no sweat off your back.Just take a breath and smile, and play your strong hands the exact same way, eventually these idiots pay you off huge. -
Whatever, so I thought for forever and couldn't think of a hand that would call the flop raise and then move in the turn on such a scary board that I could beat. I knew that he thought I had an overpair and thought I'd pay him off so I figured it was either a set, kq, maybe j10, or a suicide bluff. So I told the guy I'd pay him $10 if he could show me a bluff and I folded face up. Two people fainted at the table, telling me how bad I play. He turned over AKo. Hahahaha. Phil Helmuth can dodge bullets, I can dodge people throwing their entire stacks at me.
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I don't think that's necessarily true. A lot of people would check behind with a hand like J10, or 1010, but would likely call a bet if they suspected a bluff from us.If he'll check behind with a marginal hand, then he's NOT calling if we donk-bet in to him here either. I say let out a little length of rope and see if he hangs himself with it. I see little value in a bet here. If he's beaten, he lays it down 95% of the time. -
Is he the type to check behind on the river with a marginal hand though? I've seen lots of LAGs that will be aggressive but then check behind on the river instead of put in a marginal value bet. I would honestly lean towards leading this river unless I knew that he was aggressive on the river and is known to value bet light.
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I think reads are important here. If you're playing against someone who is a standard player then you can raise to add some fold equity and potentially buy yourself some outs if someone has A10 or something like that. If you're against a calling station then you just call in position and hope to catch your draw.this was from a couple days ago. I don't recall the read but its not really relevant in a hand like this. Just curious whether raising or just flat calling in position would give us the best chance to win.My PT stats were 22/15/5PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)CO ($9.50)Button ($16.55)SB ($26.25)BB ($23.15)UTG ($35.45)Hero ($54.10)Preflop: Hero is MP with J
, T. UTG raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.Flop: ($4.25) A, J
, 4(4 players)SB checks, UTG bets $4, Hero? -
Hahaha, I know. I just figured that out because I remembered the bet sizes and went backwards from there. What do we put him on that would play like this? Is there anything that would call the flop raise and then open push the turn? Also, is my flop raise ok, or would a flat call perhaps work better to keep the pot small on such a scary board?First, you don't remember all details, yet the villain had $407?Interesting.
Also, fold on the turn. -
Live, 9 handed 1/2 NL game at the Peppermill in Reno. Don't remember all the details so some of the things may not be 100% accurate. The important information should be correct though.Stack sizes:Hero: ~500Villian: 407I had a somewhat LAG image. Had raised a lot of pots with a variety of hands recently. Not many of my hands got to showdown though. Villian is relatively TAG, although he does limp in a lot preflop, so he's somewhat loose. I hadn't seen too many of his hands go to showdown, as we hadn't been at the table together too long and hadn't tangled in too many pots together. At an earlier table together he bluffed into my wife, firing two bullets, she called. Overall though I hadn't seen him get out of line. Villian (UTG+1) Limps, Two Limpers in between, Hero raises to 12 with Js9s, BB calls, villian calls, CO calls.Pot: 49Flop: Jd 9c 10sBB checks, villian bets 25, CO folds, Hero raises to 100, Bb folds, villian callsPot: 249Turn: 5dVillian (quickly) moves all in, Hero?I started to talk to him and he seemed very confident. I asked for a count and he was having no problems handling his chips. I asked if he had KQ and he said "probably. there's a 74% chance I have KQ." I asked if he had a set of 9s and he said he hadn't thought about that one. Is this really a tough decision or am I reading too much into it?
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Don't you hate it when you're calling someone stupid but you can't even write a coherent sentencei was being sarcastic...i dont how stupid you have to be not to catch that. -
When people do this, more so online than live, but it can be both, they have a strong, but vulnerable hand. Usually when someone raises big like that they have a PP, usually 1010 - QQ, although sometimes lower, with some opponents or AQ/AK. They don't like making decisions after the flop with these hands so they raise huge in order to limit those. Its pretty stupid and if you're deep enough you can usually pick these idiots off. Its sort of that "I don't want to waste a pair" mentality. Be careful though because sometimes tricky opponents will do this with AA and KK in order to look weak with a big bet, so you really have to know your opponent before you commit a lot of chips in these situations. I would say though that 90% of the time they have a reasonably strong, but vulnerable hand.Also, is there a general concensus on strength when a "normal raiser" suddenly way over-raises? EG, a guy who would normal open for 3-4XBB suddenly open raises for something ridiculous like 10XBB. I had this situation last night, and folded my JJ, just because I was confused. -
Isn't this kind of the same play Doyle Brunson did against Johnny Moss, except it was K high instead of A high? Thought I saw that on one of those ESPN "Best Hand I Ever Played". Anyways, that said, I agree with others, if you have a read go with it. You ask if we like it, the answer is "maybe".
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Its hard to put pressure and force decisions when you're calling off your stack.I thought that's why we played short stack? To pressure others and force decisions? -
i love it when people come to the forum for advice and then scorn everyone who gives them advicethats like 1 of 3000 cliche poker sayings. another one is, "never draw to that sucker straight!!" a third one is, "watch out for the limper!!" -
That's what I thought, standard. I couldn't see any way I could fold, so I called. I was pretty sure I was no good when UTG then reraised all in and the CO called...oops. So I did what any self-respecting poker player would do. I sucked out. CO tabled 22 (not surprised), UTG had 9s8s (very surprised). Turn was the 4 and I tripled up
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Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.509 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with
UTG calls, 4 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.Flop: :D ($2.5, 5 players)SB checks, BB bets $2, UTG raises to $6, CO raises to $20, Hero???converter didn't post stack sizes:Hero: 20.45 (i short bought just to see what it was like)UTG: 48.80CO: 51.15So, I meant to fold pf but accidentally called. Oops. But then I get a favorable flop. But then I get moved all in. Don't have any real solid reads on the players. I do know that the CO is a fairly TAG player that mostly plays SNGs. Earlier he had been raising a lot pf, he raised in the CO after a bunch of limpers, i repopped him with aq, he instantly moved in but i was pot committed and called, he had 1010 and i won the race. He had also been very critical of people playing trash hands, so 42 or 72 are very unlikely. Hadn't seen him limp a lot so I don't know his range. UTG has been fairly aggressive. a few hands ago i raised in EP with AsKs, he repopped it, I called. flop came qxx, check check. j on turn, i bet, he just called. River completes back door diamonds, I check, he puts me all in. I hollywood and fold, he shows QQ. So he likes to slow play, but the board was dry and this one isn't. Given my short stack, I'm pretty sure this is standard, but my problem was that I was having trouble giving the CO a hand I could beat, unless he limped with an overpair, which I thought would be unlikely, As7s, or 5s6s. Am I just seeing monsters? Is the only problem with this hand the felt burn I get shoving my chips in the pot? -
I don't mind the flop bet because that is what our opponent obviously will call. Its not my default by any means, but I don't think this opponent is paying attention. He has tp, its the nuts, he's in. So overbetting the pot is fine since the opponent obviously doesn't have a clue. He might be inclined to call down with mid or bottom pair, or call with a straight draw even against bets this big. Its like how the casinos charge you 15 bucks for a hamburger and fries. They do it because they know that you're too lazy to walk outside the casino and buy a reasonably priced meal. If you've got a sucker, charge him whatever he'll pay.Id probably raise to ~1.8 preflop. On the flop I dont see why we need to bet anything close to the size of the pot here. Its 962 rainbow. 87 is the only good drawing hand to protect from. Against most opponents I probably only bet half the pot here but against this guy Id probably bet 2/3 of the pot. Im not sure why so many people are advocating betting the size of the pot or more on a flop that our hand is normally either crushed or crushing. How much would you guys bet here with AK? -
Stack sizes? In general, I don't mind it because, unless the villian is a complete donk, you will be able to better define your hand and their's. Its rare though that you'll get action from a worse hand, so if you get played back at you will have to dump it.Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.259 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with5 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls, 2 folds.Flop: :D ($2.35, 2 players)Hero bets $1.75, Button raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $9.75.Standard? No reads on the villain and did not want to call and be forced to call down. -
QFT. If the villian is going to raise it makes more sense to bet out, they will raise, then you can push and get it in much easier that way.Don't check on that flop.The turn doesn't matter. It could be the scariest card in the deck and you're still gonna be pushing. -
Yeah, the one time I played I can remember, at most 6 hands I played. Only one wasn't all in pre flop and that one should have been all in, but I was trying to coax a donkey into doubling me up, which we did by the river. So pretty much every hand I played was an all in. My tournament lasted about 2 hours also.Yeah, it's +EV. The problem is just that to go from 50 down to 1 in 3 hours means that there is marginal skill involved.There are only going to be about 400 hands in the tournament in total across all tables. You are only going to see about 120 hands yourself if you win. 120 hands to effectively double through 7 times. -
Who is this Daniel in any case?. huh?
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What I was referring to earlier was that yes, basically you bet whatever you think your opponent will call, but that will also give him incorrect odds. So, if you know your opponent has a straight draw, but you know they won't call a pot sized bet with it, then you bet less than the pot, but more than they need to get the correct odds. If you know that your opponent will call an all in with a straight draw (as I personally believe this type of opponent would) then you should get all of your chips in the middle. The key though is to bet enough so that they will put in the maximum amount of money when they are making a mistake. So your bet on the flop was fine from that perspective. I'm sure you're getting called here most of the time by all sorts of hands, and when he moves in you're usually good.
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ps. you should post this in the nl holdem strategy section. you'll get more serious answers.
Ak Pre-flop
in No Limit Texas Hold'em Cash Games
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After MP's min reraise, your call and then the big reraise from UTG its hard to think of a scenario where AK is good here. Best case scenario is that you're up against QQ and JJ. If you miss your hand you're folding. If you hit your hand its unlikely you get paid. Actually the best case is that one is going nuts with AQ, and if they are you're going to get their money in the long term anyways, so wait for a better spot. Dump it.