linkwood

thanks. that's what i thought, but i wanted to make sure i didn't donk off my chips. i called, he tabled kq, i didn't get lucky and he doubled. i couldn't chop him down the second time and he eventually busted me. oh well

I agree, if you check behind i think you have to call the river bet, unless you have a good read on your opponent that they won't bet there without a flush. Without additional info i call here, as played.

Doing it this way may make it easier to rule out aa/kk but what about qq? After you 4 bet it he may just take a flop with you in position with qq, leaving you in a similar position. Granted, if someone plays qq like this they are nuts, but you're still in a tight spot if you get heat with all baby cards on the flop.

You also need to take into account your position and the rest of the table. you have a lot of chips and if the table is soft then you might let this one go and keep running over the table without risk. but if the table is tough, and/or your read tells you that his range is wider then go ahead and make the call.

Me too. I think the villian played it perfectly on the turn and river.

I don't think that raise makes sense either. Your only two options are calling or pushing. I still like calling better than pushing. I think you put hands like kings or queens in a tough spot because they don't know if you have the ace or the flush draw, so they might be inclined to put more money in.

Flopping the nuts in the bb in a 5 way pot, i lead. you could easily get a call or raise from an overpair, or action from a lone 4. I'd probably also bet more on the river hoping to get a call from the 5 high straight. On the end, getting well over 2-1, unless i have a good read on the villian, i probably call and feel sick about it.

To be honest it sounds like the sb is the type that overvalues ak and hands like this reinforce that belief. So, from that perspective, yeah, its a bad play. I don't think its necessarily terrible, but its not something i would ever do. as an aside, from your description the call by MP with kj is pretty bad as well. sounds like the board is pretty dry and i don't think that the person would make the AICR with k10, so relying on the backdoor flush draw to save you seems pretty far fetched.

I we have him beat he is drawing to, likely, 3 outs. I'm willing to give him a 12% shot to draw out on me in order to get more chips. Yeah, he may have a flush draw, but that seems very unlikely because he would have to have a hand like KsQs, which seems unlikely. I'm not saying i fold on the turn either. If he bets on the turn we're committed and we will probably call unless our read tells us something is up. But pushing the flop lets the hands that we beat fold and the hands that beat us get all of our chips. Calling seems to make way more sense.

Without a really good read on the player I can't just fold this from a guy who limp reraised pf after a limper. I like the idea of popping it to 120-130 and seeing how he reacts. This shouldn't commit us to the pot and should give us the information we need.

This information is going to change a lot of how I would react. If MP limped after one or two limpers then I would give him less credit, unless I had seen him make tricky moves, like limping with a big hand after a limper, before. Also, your image and the image of the people after MP is important also. If everyone is playing passive then MP's move doesn't make sense. You go for the limp reraise with aces when you know that someone will raise in later position. Are you seen as someone who would attack limpers like this with a weak hand? We need a little more info before we make our decisi

Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t25/t502 playersConverterPre-flop: (2 players) Hero is BB with :D SB raises to t100, Hero calls t50 (pot was t125).Flop: :D (t200, 2 players)Hero checks, SB bets t100, Hero raises to t300, SB raises all-in t980, Hero??Read: This player didn't seem to have a coherent heads up strategy. In the beginning he was rather passive and I chipped him down to a 2-1 chip deficit, then he started moving all in almost every hand. He may have been frustrated or bored, i don't know. He moved in on a Jh 9h 8h board with 9d-3d, i called him with Qd-Jd and

Personally i like just calling here. seems to me that he doesn't have ak or aa, or else he's playing it like an idiot, and you have the backdoor nut draw, so you're not drawing dead. if he has kk or worse, or a bad ace he may put more money in the pot, thinking you have just the flush draw. if you push you won't get called by most of the hands that he may have played like that. you may get called by aj, a10, maybe even a9, a8, but i can't see a worse ace calling you (unless its two pair of course). you will definitely get called when you're beat. call me a wuss but i take the passive line

I would hate it but i would fold. The problem you have is that when you're ahead of his rand, unless he has a-2, there's nothing that you're dominating, but there are a lot of hands that are crushing you. you have 0 fold equity. i say grit your teeth and fold.

I know that this is a temptation sometimes, but, at these stakes, you have to resist that temptation to make moves like this. I find that when i'm playing bad players who are willing to call me down with anything, like the player you described, the less moves i make the more money i make. however, if you make a move you should really give yourself 'outs' so that you're not left in a bad situation if you get called. for example, if you did this move in position it would make a HUGE difference. just think how much easier your decisions would have been if you were in position in this hand.

yeah, worst case scenario is he has a set, with one card that is a spade (7s7h) and even then you're only a 2-1 dog. you're not getting the right price but thats only if he has a set. two pair hands you're 60-40 against, and if he has a pair and fd (7s8s), which i would say is the most likely hand the villian would play this way, at these stakes, then you're actually a slight favorite. i think you have to call with such a big draw.

i agree with this. at these limits, even TAGs make the mistake of putting someone automatically on a flush draw if there's a two flush on the flop and the person flat calls. so they play aggressively to blow people off the flush draw. i could easily see someone doing this with two big cards, or maybe even something like 99 thinking you can't call with your likely draw. as was said, he probably doesn't put you on an overpair, and, getting over 2-1, i'll make this call (and feel really stupid when he tables kk).

first off, i would have just called preflop. you know that he's loose and will likely call, so then you're putting in 1/8 of your stack in with a trouble hand, OOP. just calling lets you see a cheap flop and you can evaluate from there. as played, i think you move in. he may have you beat but you have a lot of hands beat that he would call you with, and even if you are beat you can't be drawing dead. move it in and hope for the best.

i think the key here is if after he CC bets the flop, does he continue on the turn if he's missed. if he continues the 'bluff' then i like your play. if he gives up after your call on the flop, then i don't mind checking to see what he does because he will tell you if you're beat in that case, and if he checks behind you can reevaluate on the river, perhaps even throwing out a blocking bet. after all, the board is pretty dry and your call on the flop has to represent some sort of made hand.

Maybe villian 1 has a hand like 10s9s or 9s8s and he's just trying to get more money in the pot. Villian 2 could still have the nut flush draw. In that case a push makes villian 1 fold, he's not calling with just a draw, and villian 2 would likely have to fold the nut flush draw because he's getting less than 2-1 and he would likely think the hero has a set, making him a 3-1 dog. Or am i missing something?Edit: This isn't what I really think he has, but its one scenario. Honestly, if hero's read is right and he most likely doesn't have a set, my feeling is that he has a pair of queens. I

Yeah, you're right. I've been playing for about a year and half now and i've still got a lot to learn. Thanks.Still, if anyone knows of other better NLHE or SLHE games in the Bay Area i would appreciate it. The small buy in at Bay 101 is killing me.

Yeah, I know it was a very loose call. The table was fairly easy though, I had a rather TAG image, and, honestly, i was bored. So I decided to play. Looking back though its much better to raise than just call, but oh well.

So the main live game I play right now is a rather odd one at Bay 101 in San Jose, CA. Its the 2-3-5 spread limit 200 max buy in, spread 5-200. The players in this game are usually very low in skill level usually loose passive, some LAG, but usually there's a least one decent player there who plays TAG. Generally speaking though, 95% of the people who play there have no concept of pot odds, pot control, or protecting their hand. I saw a guy bet $25 into a 3 way $120 pot with top pair with a flush draw on board the other night, which is typical many times. The stacks are rarely deep in the

I dunno, I am leaning more towards calling, pushing. Villian 1 doesn't need a set here. He also got it in with an overpair before so he could easily have AJ IMO. I think in this situation you need to put the maximum pressure on both opponents who are both a little scared (villian 1 always and villian 2 in this particular hand). With these reads I move in here.

Yeah. At the time it seemed like a tough decision. I chickened out and just called, and then sheepishly raked the pot after he tabled the queen high flush. Oh well. Thinking back it seems pretty standard to raise there. Thanks for confirming that and for the welcome. I've been reading the forums a lot and respect your games quite a bit.