Vinny_Barberino

Just checking

This is not my hand, as I have got to the final three of one of these, my bankroll would be a whole lot sweeter right now. I was railing my friend, who argued his call to no end after making it. Even three handed, we don't call with King High here do we?Reads that I would have noticed, are that my friend and the SB who pushed have been kinda staying out of the button's way, who has just been dominating the final table. Whenever he would fold, this was the general play to go all-in from one of them, to take advantage of the others tightness. Sorry to show results, no other choice to see the

Yeah, I fully expect QT clubs to check/raise the flop. I hope any other QT doesn't even call...Set of sevens probably should have raised the turn, but its possible, if he puts you on exactly what you have, to wait till the river to make his move...8T clubs does make a lot of sense here huh? Might be a fish playing AJ this way, but there are just too many broadway cards to a) think he is ALWAYS good and B) continue to trap, with that..I call in confusion?

I have a roll of around 300$ on stars that I play within, so safe to say I don't accumulate a whole bunch of these. Last time I looked though, I was up to about 800FPP, and figure its time to use them on something. I used to play the 70FPP tourneys to the Sunday tourney, cause the play was bad and it was a good chance at 11 bucks to unregister for. I really hate that tourney though, and am kinda interested in the Turbo Takedown... but there are a gazillion sattys for it. With a "roll" of 800 or so FPP, whats the best way to liquidate it into real money?? I guess lead me to the best sattys

+1000Glad it was said by someone better then I coould. I have never strattled in my life, and have made this argument a hundred times.

Honestly?? Maybe the players who are checking, and getting all this thin value by the river from the villian's range, are just better at poker then me. Maybe its less +EV for you, but for me if I don't bet the flop I don't know what the hell I'm doing so it's the right play with my current poker skill. I just can't believe that you guys really play a hand like this and get several streets of value from all these mid pocket pairs, and AT which just keep betting at you (and bets we keep calling) more often then you just lose a big pot to a bigger pair or AK or something playing that way, a

Yeah, I have shown a bluff, and I have shown an uncalled big hand, in certain specific circumstances... I have never shown a "look at this monster I folded" there is no benefit other then to show weakness. I call here with no reads, he could have AJ, A8, thats about all I see that beats us..My most likely hand is Ax of clubs...

I loved this line of reasoning, this is the perfect answer. I am never folding AQ on the button here ever, but we gotta take the flop, I don't think the fe of pushing and getting called by a random UTG is worth the risk.

Agreed. I seriously think that was a dumb concept, get used to stacking off light? I am coming to grips with the fact, that there may be no "right" way to play this hand, and a lot of that had to do with whatgreatis's thoughts about getting extra value from the hand. I still think c/b is my way of playing it, because I feel more comfortable not guessing and get the easiest value... But... I did not take JJ into a pot three-bet preflop, OOP, and say "boy, theres a king, I better get in 'stack off light' mode"

well possibly a cooler but i think if he gets to the river and hits TT, without us betting before the river, I'd say it's our own bad play. That is not to say he won't call a bet on a prior street with TT, but its the exact reason we make him do it.

haha even a Jack could suck...... but yes, I think this is just the most comfortable way to play the hand... I just don't see value anywhere else without some hero call you shouldn't really have the reads to make

Didn't see the second post. Okay, well is fold equity the wrong word? Let's just say, we don't mind ending the hand here, and he folds here a decent amount of time here. I think the value in this hand is the current pot, not future streets, and that could really be bad poker thinking I have. It's more of an information bet that I have to make, because if we don't bet, he bets like ten, and we have no clue what we are calling with for more money. I really am prepared to win this hand two ways at this point...a) take it down with the flop bet, B) a cheap showdown after the flop bet, I just

So your argument is that we don't c/b because it puts us in a complete guessing game against bluffs? Excuse me? If anything it gives us waaay more information. I have to put in that 8 dollars on the flop, to know what to do the rest of the hand. If you don't bet the 8 on the flop, you are going to be putting in a whole lot more guessing the rest of the way possibly calling his bets. Checking the turn is bad when? Are you saying its bad to check after a c/b is called? I don't think it is at all, I am not putting in anymore money with JJ there if I am called on the flop, maybe I am a nit.

This is an easy call. His three-bet preflop is just full of hands we have crushed. I think not betting by at least the turn is a mistake, but I still think the only reason he is raising river is cause your hand looks so weak. If he shows up with TT here, it's your own fault.

He is by far the most competent player at the table, and knows my style the best. He has never over-bet in his life that I have seen, which makes it all the more confusing. This is certainly not just this situation against an unknown, which is an easy fold. I did end up calling, out of confusion and the reasons you just gave, hoping to see 78, which I did, of clubs oops. I hit a ten of clubs on the river that I felt kinda gross about.