[Unethical Behavior By Rio Staff At Wsop]

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[Unethical Behavior By Rio Staff At Wsop]

This is a direct response about the accusation that the WSOP is selling cash games seats.It's 100% true. And the people running this scam not only knew about it, but consider it the right way to run a poker room.The two floormen/supervisors directly responsible for this are:Joe Parks, who is the board op/cashier supervisor during the WSOP and is the main board op/cashier in the Rio poker room the rest of the year.Tyler Pipal, who is the swing shift supervisor during the WSOP and the head of the Rio poker room the rest of the year.Both of these men not only knew about what was going on but encouraged it during the WSOP and also practice it during the rest of the year in the Rio Poker room.They both think standard operating procedure is to put fake names on a list and sell the seats to players who want in. This is straight fraud. It's not tipping for a service or to skip a line. There is no line and they both know there is no service.Not only that but during the entire WSOP in the main Rio Poker room, the two of them came up with a method to scam all the WSOP hold em players. During the entire series, they have mandated that the dealers drop the $1 bonus on all hold em games and claim that it's going to the bad beat jackpot. Only a tiny fraction of that money is going back to the WSOP players. The main part of that is going to fund promotions for the rest of the year in the Rio poker room. Promotions that benefit the employees, especially the cashiers and floors.Think it's wrong?Call Jack Effel and complain. He's their boss.Or call Howard Greenbaum and complain. He's Jack's Boss.Or call Marilyn Wynn and complain. She's the head of the property.702-777-7777You can also call the Rio poker room and ask to speak to director, Tyler Pipal himself. He's the one who thinks robbing the players and making people pay for seats is standard procedure. 702-777-7650 option 4

Wow, this is getting really serious

[Unethical Behavior By Rio Staff At Wsop]

This seems really, really outrageous. Has anyone else had similar experiences? Is this just mildly bad or even bad at all?Here's the link to the blogThoughts?

[Hustled For The Very Last Time]

First of all, that $300,000 would get paid IMMEDIATELY. Second of all, the reason they feel cheated is because AFTER that match Ivey did play with Erick and beat him bad... getting 10 shots. He then decided to throw him a bone and played him a round even. This was AFTER the big match though...

Fair enough. It definately seems as if the money should be paid according the additional information.I'm curious if Ivey answered honestly when asked if he had been playing a lot since the last time they played (with a world class coach). If saying no about this, I don't think it is AS unethical.It is a bit surprising that he played with Erick getting 10 shots. Was Erick not aware of Ivey's coaching?If you were in Erick's shoes, and Phil played you without presenting the knowledge of his world class coach, would you feel cheated?

[Hustled For The Very Last Time]

Daniel,The way you portrayed the story certainly points fault at the supposed hustlers. How would your stance change if the story instead went down like this:1) Initially, the games were played where you were spotted a 1-0 lead, and you won $300,000. This was perceived at slightly disadvantageous to PA, but there were no hard feelings.2) Nine months later, you and PA decide to play pool again. This time, however, you do not know where to set the line, as you've heard that PA may have been playing every day with a world class coach.3) It is then brought up that you have both played pool with lets say, Eric Lindgren. You ask PA if he was spotted a 1-0 lead when he played Eric, and he says yes. Based on this knowledge and Eric's perceived skill level, you agree on a fair line.4) PA then adds another stipulation; that is, he requires that you play a full 7 games and if one is to quit, they would have to pay a $300k penalty.5) PA crushes you for $1.8 million.6) Again, no hard feelings, but then you run into your buddy Eric and tell him the story. He then says that when he and PA play, he does not give PA any sort of spot and they play straight up.This story, which may or may not be true, is more similar to the "other side". The key points to this side, is that "PA" lied about his handicap with another player. If these were indeed true, would you feel it necessary to pay the $1.8 million? If you were to pay it, would you think it was ethical/fair that you were hustled by "PA"?I'm not sure what side is true, but if the above stipulations were added, I'm curious to see how you would actually respond. Additionally, I have no experience with high stakes golf gambling, if lying about your handicap is typical, then there is no problem. If, however, lying about one's handicap breaks the "honor among thieves", this may be the problem.