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wrto, you are missing the point. The OP is merely pointing out that the moderators are allowing, and by your own admission encouraging via the creation of forums, the indirect promotion of a particular online poker client. This would seem to be against the very rules with regards to spam (i.e. the promotion of products or services) which the moderators have set forth and are charged with enforcing. He tried bringing it up with the mods whose responses were contradictory and in stating that the Negreanu Open was 'for fun' blatantly false. It is not just for fun. It is also for money. Instead of then providing logical explanations or attempting to reconcile the situation with their own policies, they simply deleted the posts, exercising their power with the purpose of concealing this contradiction. Clearly they do not want this being discussed. The issue is not with the tournament, it is with the way in which the mods handled a simple and logical query. And concur with the OP. i found it disturbing that posts are dissappearing. Yesterday someone posted a fabricated story about how they busted DN at the WPT Atlantis event. I tried to show a friend what i thought to be a humerous attempt by a naive poster to make himself look good which backfired horribly. This thread has been removed. Why has it been removed? it was not offensive, or contrary to forum policies. Sure it was untrue, but many things posted here are untrue. If the Mods are attempting to determine what is truth and what is not, that is truly fascist. Let the readers decide what to believe. that is one of the benefits of free speech and public forums in which to exercise this right.
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Um maybe you arent aware of what a story is. It should have a plot of some kind. posting a poorly written and uninformative hand history about how you filled a longshot draw in a lowball game hardly counts as a story, nevermind a funny one. People hit gutshots, 3 outers, etc. all the time. This hardly makes for humerous reading. Besides that, i wouldnt be calling anyone a moron, mr. "you'd be stupid to fold QQ to a bet, raise, and two over the top all ins midway through a tournament".
Maybe if you understood low-ball youd get why its kinda funny. But since your morons (especially mr. perfect, smasharoo....) You shouldnt be postin anythingWhen's the funny part start? -
In poker, one should have a goal in mind with every action made at the table. You should be aiming to accomplish a particular thing every time you check, bet or raise. Your action should be proportional to this goal. If you act without purpose, you have lost before you've begun. With that in mind, what would be the purpose of raising all in here? As far as i can tell, there is a little over 3$ in the pot right now. reraising 20$ is a ludicrous overbet. This bet can have several effects which are not desirable and clearly not intended, one of which did in fact occur. Firstly, this bet looks very suspicious. You dont seem to want a call. This suggests (correctly i might add) that youre cards arent THAT strong. AK is a good draw, but it is still a draw. So someone with something like J9
, say, might be more inclined to call you, thinking its likely a race (which it was). The other problem with this bet is that once someone calls you, they cant get away from it. As well, any hand that has any business calling this bet is going to be a slight to huge favourite. You will rarely get a call from any sort of underdog. the J9 was a terrible play, but ended up being in much better shape than could be expected. as mentioned, only a 3:2 dog. A better line would have been to make a pot sized raise of 3$, and then bet out 6$ again into that scary flop. He might be inclined to lay down his top pair weak kicker in that spot if he is as solid as you claim (although i doubt it considering he called off his stack with J9). You probably have to give up on it after the flop if you dont improve. Your preflop raise could only reasonably hurt you. there were two outcomes: you win 3$ (not so hot...), or you get called by what will usually be a cointoss and race for all the chips you have spent all night building (also not so hot). make a pot sized reraise and then try to outplay the guy on the flop. my $.02. 
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well theres an answer to this question but it doesnt solve the problem per se. the studies have been done, over and over again, and the results say the flops are random to within a statistically acceptable margin of error. the problem is this doesnt eliminate the possibility that they are simply making sure the positive outcome flops go to certain specified house players while the statistically inevitable negative outcome flops go to the 'suckers' i.e. you and me. but the bottom line is its not rigged. they would be stupid to rig it. Party, for example, rakes some ludicrous number like $10 million a day. they dont know what to do with the money. they wipe theyre asses with hundreds. they light cigars with thousands. theyre rolling joints in $10k bank drafts. why would they jeapordize this money making machine for anything? the cheating you guys are alleging wouldnt make them a hundred thousand a day, and thats if they were very, very good at it. the rakes always max. they dont need action flops. if someone can give me a sound logical reason as to why partypoker would cheat i would be impressed. years of debate at RGP have failed to yield one.KK: Okay, I can buy that a suit might be hard to launch due to jurisdiction. The main thrust of my argument however is that it should be a simple matter to prove it's rigged. With so many people alleging it, how come nobody has crunched the numbers to prove it yet? Either the cards come "randomly" or they dont. Enough people have seen enough cards to statistically prove it's rigged. It hasn't happened yet, and I believe it wont. It's one thing to cheat someone when nobody's looking. It's another thing entirely to steal from thousands of people in broad daylight in the public's view. rg
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huh? flush draw? thats about the last thing id put him on after opening to 6xbb. hes obviously looking to thin the field with that preflop bet, so the only flush draw ive got him on is AK
but likely a bigger pp than 10s. either way youre behind. all in here would not want a call as anything he calls u with is likely ahead. assuming you dont have the 10 , his flush draw and two overs are ahead 54:46. you are much worse if hes got what i suspect, a bigger pair. -
on another note, good luck hauling an offshore company based in some obscure place like the Isle of Man or Malta into a US court for a class action suit. The US has no jurisdiction whatsoever as far as the practices of these companies, otherwise they would have been shut down long ago for violating various US gaming laws.
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LVKING: i didnt say the topic was worthless, i said the discussion as is was useless. big difference. the topic itself is not useful, but has worth as its interesting. but while the topic may be interesting, the discussion here is not useful as the opinions being thrown out there are largely if not solely based on the representations of these players put forth by the editing crew of WPT and other tv shows who are doing said editing with the purpose of achieving certain images for particular players. they manipulate these images through selecting hands to show, and the biased commentary. surely you will not argue these two facts. its quite smart, really, as it has become a big soap opera, complete with heroes (danny boy, raymer, ferguson) and villains (hellmuth, arieh) who players can root for or against, giving them a reason to tune in week after week. and no, i have not played with dan harrington, my opinions of his playing style and profitability are based however on reliable accounts by respected players who play with him consistently and these accounts have been published in unbiased interviews and in the players own blogs/websites/other communiques. You will notice i cannot, and therefore did not comment on any of the other players mentioned in this discussion as i have no real knowledge of their style beyond what i see on tv which is likely to be skewed heavily.
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A week ago, at Casino Rama this one guy had just cashed in. The casino obviously wanted him to do well so hed keep playing. He got 77, guy right in front of him was pushing the whole way with 1010. flop was 1077. It has to be rigged. all you have is the cardrooms word as to the honesty, and in some places poker isnt even legal! i mean heres this guy, been playing for hours, gets so unlucky, new guy just cashed in hits a miracle flop. just wanted to warn you all, all BM games are rigged.
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first of all, this conversation is useless because everyone is just throwing in opinions based on the EXTREMELY limited tournament play theyve seen on tv... there are two problems with this. a) you are only seeing a small fraction of the hands by a small fraction of the players and B) its a tournament. all these guys couldnt give two shits about these tourneys. Harrington, Hellmuth, Sexton, Cloutier, Tomko, theyre all playing high stakes cash games which make the tourney buyins seem worthless. 10 grand is nothing. At the Bellagio mixed game that daniel plays in amongst others, bets are often capped at 10x this amount. btw for what its worth, Dan Harrington IS a supertight cash game player, and DOES make a comfortable living playing this way.
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yea i bet you get that kind of deal often... "lets chop it up" "ok ill take 100% you take 0%" "ok seems fair".there are a million valid reasons to take a chop, 'not wanting to play' is usually not one of them. if anyone wants to see the fallacy of this, do a lil search for xxxeddies views on calling a bet, raise, and two reraises all in with QQ midway through a large buyin NL tourney for your whole stackMe personally wont split unless I get 100 percent. I know if a player asks for splpit, he really doesnt wanna play anymore, so I can take advantage of that
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a) i dont see how this is a bad beat. it's a coinflip preflop, coinflip on the flop, and he cannot win by the turn. never is he ahead by more than a few percent. B) the all in is a terrible play. he will only get called by one of the several hands that have him beat. what is he trying to accomplish?? a steal? seems silly he has a hand, he wants straights and trips to call him, which they wont do for all their chips on that board.
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Hate to break it to you, but this happens all the time. Just cuz you dont see it doesnt mean it didnt happen. Deals are a smart move when the blinds get high relative to stack sizes. for instance, i was playing a 1 table tourney, and it came down to me and one other heads up. We each had about 300 chips (yea i know the structure was brutal), and the blinds were 64-128. That meant the minimum raise would put 3/4s of the chips in play on the table. Clearly at this point there was no skill involved, it was like flipping a coin for $1000. we each took 400, and played it out for the other 200. definitely +EV.Thanks for the imput, let me add this to my original post the WPT or WSOP would throw up if a big tounrey finished like I saw it finish. Could you imagin 5-6 days of poker and the two last guys standing says "lets chop the prize money and go have a beer". That would be the end to TV poker... -
www.pokermafia.combut its not gonna give you what your looking for. mostly it talks about collusion, but you'd get better information to google some RGP posts by Russ. Also, you must remember that he was mostly cheating non-community games such as lowball, and 7 stud hi-lo, where pat/nut hands were much easier to identify. As well, 30 years ago players were dealing to themselves even in card rooms, and when they werent the security measures in place were much more easily manipulated. even if you could get a dealer, floorman and supe on the take in a room today, it would be almost impossible to get a colddeck in the game anyways as most clubs require the dealers to spread the decks for the cameras and then wash em before they enter play.Russ's site, though, has some excellent advice, particularily on limit SNG strategy and Omaha 8.
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What the OP was referring to are the allegations made a few years ago by one Russ Georgiev, aka GCA, aka NewGCA. Essentially, Russ is a former high stakes player who claims to have cheated the biggest games in the 70s and 80s, and claims to have done it with the help of some of the biggest names in poker, who he claims are still cheating today. there is much debate as to whether Russ's allegations are true. Basically the only thing that has been proven after all this time is that Russ did in fact play these games, which had been very much doubted before several big names admitted that Russ had played at the top of the game for a long time. google some GCA and Russ Georgiev posts if you want...
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well, eddie, 15 hours and no reply. i guess you're not quite so eager to play me as you purport to be. Or maybe you are, but lost your bankroll calling QQ for all your chips behind 3 all ins?
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a good way to assess EV on deals is to look at the deal in comparision to a chipcount deal. Chip count deals are arguably the most fair, and the way they work is both players get second place money, and the remaining prize pool is divided up based on chip counts. I.e, you both get $75, then you split the remaining 50 in a 7.5:3.5 ratio. do the math, and this works out to you getting $90.90... your deal was pretty damn close.
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name a site... we'll play headsup SNGs best four of seven...
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ive refrained from getting involved in many of the idiotic debates here, such as people arguing as to how those who dont tip dealers everytime they drag a pot are the dredge of society, but eddie im gonna do you a favour: You are misunderstanding the meaning of what a 'right' and 'wrong' call is. You are looking at this from a results based perspective. this is a terrible, and ultimately expensive way to analyze poker. This question was obviously meant to be with regards to a strategical analysis of the play. Strategically, the fold here is the ONLY correct play, for several different reasons.Firstly, you must consider that this is a tournament. your tournament life, as it is known, is at stake. If the OP makes the call here for 2200 more, he is left shortstacked with about 1600 if he loses. The payoff is huge, but unlike a cash game, he cannot reload. Therefore, the risk is too great to call here. Not only is this a tournament, but it is one of significant buyin, of more money than you ever or ever should (barring some ludicrous trust fund) play with given your assessment of this hand. We must expect that the majority of these players are somewhat competent (it turns out they are not). They have also managed to make it through half the field, which should further point to some degree of competency. The first raiser we can assume (correctly) has at least one overcard and most likely AK. When the second guy goes all in we must assume he has a big pair, 10's or better. If im the third guy, im not getting involved without AA or KK, and KK im gonna be nervous. Now it comes back around to us: we've got a reraise, an over the top all in, and another over the top all in. Weve committed 600 chips and are faced with calling off half of our stack. AT THE VERY LEAST, there is both a A and a K in play, and likely at least one of our Qs. There is plenty of play left in the tourney and we will not be shortstacked if we fold. If we call, we are at best a cointoss which is reckless halfway through a tourney for half our stack with a nice chipcount, and likely behind. plus, if an A or a K hits, we are down to what is likely 1 out and optimistically 2 outs. THERE IS NO CHOICE BUT TO FOLD. ignore the results. they are meaningless. In the long run you will lose this hand repeatedly. Even with 3 of the worst plays in poker history you were a coin toss. If even one of these guys had any business being in this pot, youre a heavy underdog. If you have AK and i have KK and were both all in and you spike an Ace on the river, who played it better? not you my friend. There is a reason people complain about being three outered: it doesnt happen often. its not supposed to happen often. it wont happen often. it goes against the laws of mathematics that it will happen often. what will happen often is the person with three outs, or in this case, QQ, will lose substantial amounts of money over and over again. PS you dont happen to live in toronto do you? we have this home game...
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drugs and poker have been debated for a while. Heres my take on it: the effect is highly dependant on the drug: coke, meth, heroin, etc to my mind are all to intense to be anything but detrimental to a poker game. The effects of alcohol are also clearly detrimental; inhibitions, decision making skills, these are both critical to poker and it is scientific fact that alcohol is harmful to these areas of thinking. The effects of pot, however, are more debatable. The high from marijuana varies greatly from person to person. for the occasional smoker, the high is probably to intense for them to concentrate well on poker. for a regular smoker such as myself, i am used to functioning in this state of mind. I find there are benefits as well as drawbacks to playing stoned. The drawbacks have been mentioned; lack of attention, slower thought processes. but limit, my bread and butter game, has become somewhat autonomous for me in terms of decision making. The games im playing are filled with horrible players, making obvious moves, and rarely do i have interesting decisions to make. Its become a grind. a profitable grind, but a grind. I play way less hands than is average for this game, and find myself getting impatient when my cards are cold (which lately has been often, but thats another subject). Smoking a bowl every hour or so helps me because i become much more easily distracted. I wont get high for the first few hours of a session until i can get a good read on everyone, but then being high allows me to enjoy the pointless shiite they put on the tvs without sound, or to find amusing the stupid conversations people try to engage me in about how Q8o is the best hand (two flushes and a three gap straight draw!). But i only like ot get buzzed, not STONED. stoned is bad. buzzed is good. weed has a calming effect on me and i often get into a 'zone' as well.