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400 plo8, ring all stacks between $300 and $500 hero limps in MP with A
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J 2 after one other limper. three other players limp behind, sb completes and bb checks. pot is $28, seven players. flop is K
10 4. sb bets out pot at $28, bb calls, and ep limper calls. action is to hero. (there are three players behind to act.) after hero's call (this site does not have a fold button, the only options are call and raise =D), pot will be $140, so a pot raise will be to $168. flat-call or raise? I thought this would be an excellent place for a semi-bluff squeeze, do you guys disagree? thanks, Aseem -
Let's say you (full stack) pot A-A-Q-2 (no hearts) utg to $14. Unknown MP cold-calls (full stack), it folds to SB or BB who calls, the other folds.Pot's roughly $45, flop comes 9-9-3 with two hearts. SB/BB checks, what's your plan for the hand?My usual line has to cbet this at full pot and fold to a raise, but the other day this happened and I decided to check.The reason I checked is because one of my main problems is over aggression at times; specifically, in this case, if I get a call, I always cbet almost any turn, and then it's dumb when they have a 9 or if the turn comes a high card and now I have no low draw, or if a heart comes, etc. And in those cases, I feel that firing another barrel sucks a lot, but I also feel that check/folding sucks a lot too when they could be on a bare low draw or have a pair in their hand and are looking me up lightly, and in the same vein, I also feel that check/calling sucks too.So I'm curious what line you all would take. It's preferred that you're familiar with the general dynamic of the Full Tilt 400 game. Overall it's pretty similar to the Stars 400 game if that helps, except that an unknown at Stars tends to be weak/tight where an unknown at Full Tilt tends to be slightly more of a station (anyone disagree? I'm not talking about regulars).In this specific instance, I said I checked, hoping for a free turn, but MP potted it and SB folded (if SB had called, do you insta-muck?). I decided to call (do you hate this? I kind of do, but I hate check/folding a little more) and decided to continue if the turn was a low preferably, and also if not a heart preferably (since villain, if he doesn't have a 9, is very likely semi-bluffing with a heart draw). The turn came a 7h, giving me a low draw. I again decided to check, hoping for a free or at least cheap (pot control) river, but MP again potted it. This is where I feel I made my critical mistake in calling again -- I think when the heart hits, I should fold, but I thought I have a live nut low draw and I may even be good for high, so I called. Pot was now a little more than $400 and we both had a little under $200 left. River came another 7, and I check/folded to a push.Gross, I cringe at the way I played this hand and can't stop thinking about it. But I post this because I want to explore this basic situation more. Every line seems sticky to me, so please tell me what you do. More importantly, please elaborate WHY you do it, don't just answer a one-line response like "bet, call a raise, check/push any turn".Thanks,Aseem
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Just one reply?I guess I wasn't clear -- a big part of my question is the plan for the turn. Just shoot out some hypotheticals and what you would do, e.g. low turn vs high turn, a pot bet with both players folding, a pot bet with one player calling, sb checking, one person potting it and one fold (so now you aren't closing the action), etc.Aseem
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600 PLO8, ringUTG - $550CO - $750Hero - $800SB - coversHero is Button with
.UTG opens to $21, UTG+1 calls, ..., CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.($126, 6 plrs) 
SB bets $126, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Hero calls.I would normally fold this flop if it folded to me, but with three callers I thought this call was correct. If a low card comes on the turn I'm going to showdown (that obv includes hitting a wheel), but the turn can be tricky to play if it comes a high card.Thoughts? (if it's not clear, the call looks ultra easy after two other callers, but I think turn play can be really tough. The pot going into the turn will be ~$630. UTG will have ~$400 left, I will have ~$650 left.)Aseemedit: also a quick point to make is that I will almost never get the high end of this pot with a wheel, imo. So I'm basically drawing to just half, which is normally a sin, except I feel it may be okay here...edit: also, player reads -- SB is a pretty good LAG, UTG is new but seems to be a very bad spewer, CO is a pretty solid TAG. -
Yes, NavyButtons is closest to understanding what I found in this -- Izmet teaches us to, in his own words, really be constantly aware of THE BIG PICTURE. One hand can be played in any possible way, as long as it fits within the big picture. I think all of us obsess too much over each little hand, when the best and most successful players reach the poker stratosphere by focusing less on the details and more on the big picture.Aseem
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Eh, you guys are focusing way too much on the specific situation, which is pretty trivial. Maybe the general advice is not as mind-blowing as I thought it was. =/Aseem
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I feel like I have gotten to the point where I'm pretty comfortable with my game (mainly PLO8). I still make plenty of mistakes and misplay plenty of hands, but that problem is solved with time, analysis, discussion, etc. -- that's all stuff that I can easily do and am doing (though I can certainly do more of this).So lately, I have been trying to figure out how to take my game to "the next level" (sorry for using such a cliche term, yuck), and I have been thinking a lot about styles. Reading a lot of high-stakes NL HE posts and observing a lot of those high-stakes NL HE games has made me realize more than ever before that many different styles can win.Anyway, I was browsing the 2+2 archives and came across a brilliant nugget from Izmet Fekali (one of the best [online] players in the world from several years ago).Someone posted a question for a generic limit HE situation, where you open on the button with ace-rag, e.g. A-7, the big blind defends, and checks to you on a very dry flop, e.g. A-8-8. The question was, should you check or should you bet? The OP felt that checking was correct, and explained his reasoning in what can be boiled down to today's modern and way overused term, wa/wb. David Sklansky agreed, and then Izmet chimed in:--"I am very aware of the pros in David's (and yours) thinking, I often rope-a-dope a lone opponent in these situations (non-vulnerable hand, smallish pot), especially when she (see Izmet taking a stroll thru PC land) shows some strength preflop.However, there are very important issues to consider here. I have been taught very early that it is not that important how one plays a hand in certain situation but how well one balances one's plays. In other words, do not lose your awareness of the bigger picture.In this sense, if one plans to steal on similar flops, one needs to bet out with the goods too."--Wow. Something quite obvious that a lot of us have definitely thought about and even said before, but it's said so eloquently here. Does this blow everyone away as much as it did to me?Aseem
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He's not open limping.Aseemopen limping from mp3 or later with AA is really bad, imho. raise to thin the field or fold if you don't feel comfortable playing naked aces postflop, but limping just encourages more people to enter, and that's the last thing you want. -
Ring game or short handed, doesn't matter. Only key piece of information is that villain is very aggressive and a huge bluffer, including donk bets as well as checkraises when he thinks you missed the board.Let's say 2/4 PLO8.I open on the button to 14 with A-J-4-2 no diamonds. Villain defends his big blind.Flop is J-9-9 with two diamonds. Villain checks.What's our plan for the rest of the hand?I'm really unhappy with almost every line. Cbetting this screams that you will get checkraised or floated, but checking behind also leaves you vulnerable to donk bets and having to either fold very weakly or call down very lightly.Thanks in advance.Aseem
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LOL, same. I haaaate playing sh plo8 with Ari. The guy is sick good at sensing weakness.Aseem
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good post Cham. Thanks.Aseem
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Yeah, that's my question. I understand it's not a lock at all, but for example, if I had a set here in hold 'em, I wouldn't raise, for obvious reasons.I know it's not the same situation, but I'd rather maximize my EV than worry about giving up half the pot sometimes.Is it really that black and white that I should have raised?Thanks,Aseem
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Well I mean, I would overshove there too, and I think it's way correct to. However, I mentioned that you probably couldn't, because the shortstack's reraise was less than your raise, so most sites don't allow you to raise again when it gets back to you, I believe.Aseem
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yeah. you basically have a weak draw. a similar situation would be in PLHE with a gutshot oop. c/c the flop is fine, but leading out isn't.aseemi lead at that flop a lot, is that a mistake? -
Make it $200 or $500 for me please. =)AseemP.S. I reserve the right to accept or decline challengers!
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You played both this hand and the other hand absolutely fine. I'll elaborate real quick on this hand.Preflop - your raise is fine. You could choose to call also, but I definitely don't like potting it. A raise serves to build up the pot and exploit an equity edge here, but your hand isn't strong enough to isolate anyone. So calling works, and maybe is better if you have a problem getting away from marginal spots postflop (calling allows you to not tie yourself in), but raising for value to 3x or 4x is fine too.Flop - you should be willing to get it all in here, generally, at these stakes (and in fact, at any stakes as long as the game is relatively loose and the players are relatively bad, i.e. they will commit themselves with weak hands like two pair or an oesd). So pot raise is fine, and if you can, shove (I don't think you could shove when it got back to you, because UTG's shove was less than your raise, right?).Turn/River - checking down is absolutely fine. On the river, if you had a decent pair, I would value bet against SB because you have a chance to 3/4 if he called the flop action with just a nut low draw. Without anything for high, betting isn't great because it's a dry sidepot and there's very little chance you can actually promote just A-J high to be good.Aseem
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400 PLO8, ringConverterStack sizes:MP3: $506.10Hero: $480.80Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 8
2 A 34 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.Flop: 8 9 6 ($14, 3 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets $14, Button folds, Hero calls.Turn: Q ($42, 2 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets $42, Hero calls.River: 9 ($126, 2 players)Hero bets $126, ...Results:Final pot: $378 My opponent is kind of aggressive and could easily be potting with a flush draw, a low draw + pair, or a low draw + flush draw, a straight, etc. Potting range in position HU for this guy is very wide (as it should be).So I think on this river, he may fold a straight, because I may be representing a set or two pair or something that feels he's beat with a straight. But eh, it kind of looks transparent, and more importantly -- I'm wondering if a CHECK/CALL here would be good.I know, crazy, but I DO have a high that can beat tons of busted draws. This allows him to bluff with a missed draw and potentially even check behind a better hand?Thoughts appreciated,Aseem -
400 PLO8Hero (BB) - $450BB - $1200Hosse (MP) - coversHero is SB with A
K 3 2.UTG limps, ..., Hosse pots to $18, ..., Hero calls, UTG calls.($54, 3 plrs) A Q QHero bets $54, ...I am extremely happy to get all my chips in the middle vs Hosse. His potting range preflop is so wide, and if he has a Q or AA, so be it ("that's a cooler" =D), but I strongly feel that with nut flush draw, best two pair and backdoor nut low draw, I have more than enough to put my money in.The only problem is, I regretted this bet right after I made it and felt that I should have checkraised pot instead (assuming Hosse bet... if UTG bet, I'd fold or call depending on bet size).However, this is bad if UTG has a Q and is planning a checkraise.Thoughts?Also, if anyone disagrees with preflop and feels that I should have repopped, feel free to chime in. I don't think it's that close, I think a call is better because of the stack sizes and out of position play, but I'm open to otherwise.Aseem -
Wow everyone grossly misplayed their hands PREFLOP, imo.Hero -- how can you not either come in for a raise, or limp-reraise this? AA44s is a relative freaking monster, get as much money in as possible preflop, and as someone else mentioned (I just skimmed), ESPECIALLY when you can STILL have position on them postflop!!!!!!!11111(P.S. I don't limp-reraise with aces, it's way too transparent when the stacks are deep and it gets you in trouble, often out of position, postflop. But your stack isn't that deep, and you're in position relative to the preflop to the raiser!!!!!!!!! So reraise!!)And of course get it in on the flop, you have an edge, who cares if there are draws out there and you could lose sometimes.SB -- I kinda want to know who this player is. I think I have an idea but I'm not sure. This is horrendous preflop, A244s isn't even a great hand, and he's out of position obv. The only situation it may be okay is if he knows both of you are very tight and will likely fold to this raise. But even then, meh, there are so many better spots to exploit weak/tight players, not oop with A244s. =/And on the flop, that's sooooo bad.CO - lol @ preflop. That's hardcore awful. On the flop that's fine, double gutted plus nut low draw. No flush draw unfortunately, but I think it's decent.Aseem
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?742726If anyone has any experience playing against Hosse, let me know what you think.In my notes, I know he is a very stubborn and also he reraises preflop very liberally with hands like AJ24s and so on, even out of position.Would he really donk push with A3ss? I really doubt it. Why wouldn't he go for a checkraise?I was so close to calling because I felt he could really do it with the bare As + maybe a low draw, in which case I would be good for high and he would be behind.And anyways, I'm getting better than 2-to-1, I should call even if I'm 35%.Ugghhhhhhhhh.One thought that swayed me was that he is more likely to repop with suited aces, so the probability that he is doing the naked ace bluff is lower.Uggghhhhhhhhh x2.Anybody think I made a bad fold?Aseem
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?742689Preflop raise is to try to isolate the superfish while not building the pot too much (not exactly a stellar hand).So the preflop isolation raise didn't work, but I flopped a fairly awesome hand... top two pair, no flush draw on board, nut low draw.And the perfect scenario happens -- the superfish puts all his money in.I chose to flat-call and invite others to enter, do you guys disagree?Aseem
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?742666Thoughts?Obviously it's not your standard hand and I'm far from the nuts in either direction, but this opponent specifically is pretty loose and has a wide range. My notes on him, however, were something like "DO NOT BLUFF, super stubborn".Aseem
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lol, 15k pot? What site/casino + limits? Or was this a tournament, and 15k = $5 in real money equity? =)Aseem
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well that triple-up ended up being pretty meaningless, as my internet connection died again. SADOIJSAOIDJSAOlol, oh well. Off to do other stuff now, GL if you're still in it!Aseemwas down to 350 but clawed my way back.
Understanding Position Better
in Other Poker Cash Games
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I once read a really useful piece of advice that has most influenced and shaped my understanding of position:"When you're out of position, you want to end the hand as early as possible."[note that "end the hand" is probably better understood as "end the action"]This has always made sense to me. Position is an advantage for the obvious reason that poker is an information game; thus, being able to act after others nets you more information, allowing you to make better decisions.The application of the above quote, then, is that in ending the hand sooner, you have to make less decisions out of position.An NLHE example: a good player opens in late position to 3 bb, and you three-bet from the blinds with QQ (or something similar) to something like 10 bb. He then reraises to 35 bb. Here is a spot where you have a choice between flat-calling and reraising (let's take fold out of the equation).If the stacks are 100 bb, I think this is a clear push according to the above quote. Why give your opponent an opportunity to outplay you on the flop for a big 70 bb pot when you can neutralize his advantage of position by ending the hand right away? Similarly, if you were the villain in the hand, you may have chosen not to reraise to 35 bb, and instead see a flop, because you want to be able to use your advantage for as long as possible (of course, this depends on the hands, etc.).But it gets trickier when the stacks are deeper. When the stacks are quite deep, let's say 300 bb, you have a very tough decision with QQ here. The pot will be 70 bb after your call, and you will both still have 265 bb behind. You can possibly reraise to 100 bb, but if your opponent now flat-calls, you are essentially playing blind on every flop, being commited to push, and if your opponent is good, he can exploit this pretty hard (I realize this is a complex equation with hand ranges and implied odds, etc., please ignore the trivial details of this particular example). So here, I think flat-calling with QQ is better.But yet this contradicts the positional advice!So I hope some of you see my dilemma -- playing out of position can be super tricky! Applying it to PLO8, I am struggling with when to reraise preflop with strong hands versus when to flat-call with them. So please share what factors you think contribute most (how deep/shallow the stacks need to be, how strong your hand needs to be, what tendencies your opponents need to have, etc etc etc) to your decision in general out-of-position situations.Thanks in advance,Aseem