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judging by my avatar wywh is my fav. but i also really like piper. this is starting to get strange. i go to my poker forums and we're talkin about floyd. i go to my floyd forums and we're talkin about poker. i am gettin really confused.Aren't we a diversified bunch?BTW, Piper at the Gates of Dawn might be one of my favorite albums, with Dark Side of the Moon right there as well, and fetch, almost forgot Animals. Damn they were great.
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why is that stupid... I would have folded here if I were you... He made a play at a pot that was an obvious bluff, yet it wasn't. He was thinking on level 4 of the poker thought process... He knew what he had... the nut flush, minus SF.. He knew that you had a club, and hoped it was a high one... He then knew that if he bet a huge amount, that you would think he had nothing. And finally, he was thinking that you thought he thought you had nothing... if you get that... So, by betting a huge obvious bluff amount, he figured you would put him on nothing, as you thought he thought you didn't have a club, when really he knew you had a club, to get you to call the ridiculously huge bluff. A sidenote, anytime a pot is so small as $13, and someone bets a huge amount, I would think about this, b/c most times they are not going to be willing to bet this much into a pot this small.Valid point. I'm not going to disagree with this analysis. Logical and well thought out. The most obvious reason for folding is the fact that your calling 60 to win 73. Like most situations, it entirely depends on the player. If I know this player to think multi-dementionally, than I fold. In my opinion, there are only two players who make this play, the fish or a more astute player. I would say that in the vast majority of cases, the astute player plays this hand in a different manner. If they does go for the slowplayand large bet on river route, he might bet $20 into a $13 pot.
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good lists... deadmoney found the gems in the quarry so to speaki try to like it , bit whenever i hear zepplin or the stones i think of stoners wearing tye dye shirts driving old beat up vans thinking of the good old days ....i know the historical importance of that music, but outside of a few bands,its mostly unlistenable..imo....very funny
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Nobody here likes classic rock?
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On the other hand, I think that it was a horrible raise with the nut flush (not counting sf) there, since there was a very good chance I didn't have any clubs and would be folding there. You made the right decision I think. With regard to this player, you'll more than make up for what you lost on the hand in future play if he played the flop nuts as he did. Honestly, that has to be one of the most poorly played flopped nut hands I've heard of. He was fortunate you had the king, everything else you fold, no problem.
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Yeah, I think I'm the only one here who listens to Hip Hop and stuff huh? Ah well.Usher, Kanye West, JayZ, Eminem, etc. I'm a fan.
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So your saying a guy bets $60 into a $13 pot?Tough place to be. That is a ridiculous bet that I can't imagine anybody making, with the exception of a delirious fish. You fold, you haven't lost much, but I'd call as long as $60 didn't mean not paying a bill or something.
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outside of the clash im listening to the exact opposite of you lol...mostly stuff like the cure, depeche mode, the smiths, old u2, romeo void,joy division,dead kennedys,splt endz,the bansheses.....lol. I'm a big fan of the smiths and morrisey. His latest was one of my favorites last year. Joy Division was brilliant, and sad story. Sad someone so talented would commit suicide. I occasionally listen to cure and Depeche Mode. Robert Smith is one of the few good things to appear out of the 80's. Romeo void is definitely cool.
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As an avid music fan, I often enjoy the fact that poker and music mix quite well. I think the music keeps me grounded overall in my play. Provides a calming effect of sorts. I've compiled a list of my top 40 rock songs of all-time. If you read the December 9, 2004 edition of Rolling Stone, I used it as a guide, as pulling my favorite songs from thin air proved impossible. 1 - (I Can't get no) Satisfaction -- Rolling Stones The stones difinitive song. I'm a huge Rolling Stones fan, and could put numerous of their songs as my favorites, but when I think about the Rolling Stones, I think of Jagger swaying to Satisfaction.2- Hey Jude -- The Beatles I don't really know how one seperates the Beatles catalog, but Hey Jude was their biggest hit, and a personal favorite of mine to play on the piano.3 - My Generation -- The Who Watching the Who play this on a old tape of the Ed Sullivan show made me an instant fan. Townsend is perhaps one of the most talented musicians to ever play a chord.4- Like a Rolling Stone -- Bob Dylan The guy was (is) a genius. Lyrically unmatched.5 - Imagine -- John Lennon6- Yesterday -- The Beatles7- London Calling -- The Clash8 - I want to hold you hand -- the Beatles Can you tell that I'm a Beatles fan?9 - Born to Run -- Bruce Springstein10- Let it be -- The Beatles11 - Sittin" on the Dock of the Bay -- Otis Redding Brilliant Song. Sad he was killed just a few days after recording it.12- In My Life -- the Beatles13 - What's going on -- Marvin Gaye14 - What'd I Say -- Ray Charles15 - Blowin' in the wind -- Bob Dylan16 -- A change is gonna come -- Sam Cooke His album 'Live at the Harlem Club' is one of the greatest live performances. Soul music at its finest. Another one that died too young.17- Purple Haze -- Jimi Hendrix18 - Stairway to Heaven -- Led Zepplin19 - One -- U220 - Respect -- Aretha Franklin This probably deserves to be higher.21 - Hound Dog -- Elvis Presley22 - You've lost that lovin' feelin' -- the Righteous Brothers23 - Good Vibrations -- the Beach Buys24 - Johnny B Goode -- Chuck Berry The beginning of rock. Really should be much higher.25 - Be my Baby -- the Ronettes26 - Layla --Eric Clapton27 - Sympathy for the Devil -- the Rolling Stones28 - Georgia on my Mind -- Ray Charles29 - Heroes -- David Bowie30 - Heartbreak Hotel -- Elvis Presley31 - Grace -- Jeff Buckley Underappreciated artist. I recommend a listen if you're unfamiliar. 32 - When a man loves a women - Percy Sledge33 - Whiter Shade of Pale -- Procol Harum34 - the times they are a changin' -- Bob Dylan35 - Iris -- Goo Goo Dolls36 - When Doves Cry -- Prince37- Gimme Shelter -- Rolling Stones38 - Light my fire -- the Doors39 - Whole lotta love -- Led Zepplin40 - Bridge over troubled water -- Simon and GarfunkelFavorite Songs at the moment--1 - Bowl of Oranges -- Bright Eyes2 - American Idiot -- Green Day3 - Hummingbird -- Wilco4 - Dolphins -- Tim Buckley5 - Karma Police -- Radiohead6 - Both Sides Now -- Joni Mitchell7 - Under Pressure -- Queen and David Bowie8 - Mad World -- Michael Andrews9 - George Harrison -- As my guitar gently weeps10 - Silent Sigh -- Badly Drawn BoyWhat are you guys listening to?
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$500 is good to deposit online and play at .10/.25 NL. Stunned? A good NL bankroll should have 1500 Big blinds in in it. Thus, for a 2/4 game, you'd want $6000 to overcome variance. I'd take the $500, deposit it online, and follow that bankroll rule. Move up in stakes as your bankroll allows. In relatively short time, you'll have your $6000 to play 2/4 if you're a solid player. If you're not solid, it will help progress you to that point.
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Norman Haupt. He's a new comer to the game.. but with an impressive 2nd place finish in the Neg-O, he's hitting some confidence. I believe he may have some natural instinct. Don't be surprised if you see him. I've always maintained the creed to never underestimate a man named Norman. I'll be sure to stay clear of you in the future.layne flack. one of the best NL players today and he gets very little credit.good pick. They say the more he drinks, the better he gets. Anybody who can play like that definitely should be feared.I'll add Allen Cunningham to the list. Daniel once said that he thought Allen was one of the few players capable of playing in the big game.
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Phil hasn't faired so well in the highest cash games,due to a lack of control. You can check what Barry Greenstein's opinion is about Phil and cash games.http://www.barrygreenstein.com/phellmuth.htm
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We see regular threads discussing who is the best player in poker, which in my modest opinion, is darn near impossible to determine. What I haven't seen much of are discussions regarding those players that perhaps fly under the radar and might be underrated. In any game one might play in, one player usually stands out from the pack, and then there is the player that doesn't have as much flash, but quietly accumulates a stack. My picks:I don't know if one can call John Juanda underated as I'm sure any player sitting on his table gives him tremendous respect. He is however, underappreciated by most of the poker public. He mainly plays tournaments now, but cut his teeth in cash games, and as I've read, could do well at some of the highest limits.John Hennigan would be my pick if I were to pick one. Once again, I'm sure his opponents don't underestimate him. However, his face isn't as known in the poker world, and I'm sure in any tourney he enters, online qualifiers could underestimate him. Barry Greenstein cites his main weekness as being steam control, but otherwise rates him as high as nearly every top player, for what Greenstein's opinion is worth.http://www.barrygreenstein.com/jhennigan.htm
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The internet guys are really busting through into the tourney scene... between the Grinder and Spirit Rock, they're proving that a solid internet game can transfer over into a tough tourney player. Now we need to see Eric123 make a few final tables.
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I am mainly a limit guy like many, currently grinding away at the micros. However, if one is serious about making money, it is my opinion that they should learn to play pot limit omaha. A good pot limit player can clean up by getting maximum value out of hands.
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Live game- Exactly $630 is the most I've lost on a single hand. Capped preflop, 3 SB on the flop, 4 BB on turn, 3 BB on the river. We could have saved an extra bet on each street if not for "the loose cannon" in the 2 seat. I had AK, flopped two pair, didn't fold when the T on 3rd street made a straight. Guess I just couldn't accept the fact that a player would call 3 bets cold in a 30/60 game with QJ and then lead out on the flop with a gutshot. Honestly though, I really thought I was dead to a set, but actually had the second best hand. Oh well. You live, they learn. Isn't that how it the cliche goes?Online- I can't say for sure. Lost the max of 12 BB on a couple occasions.
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Daniel's journal was definitely a good read. With the amount of $ being played and time spent, this is a unique veiw into the world of high-stakes poker. The thought of Phil Ivey laughing uncontrollably leaves me doing the same.As for the posts regarding the big game, I'm glad somebody finally posted a link that gave some clarification. We were getting pretty far off track in the "rumor" category, which seems to happen frequently. Does anyone else here think that if the "Big Game" could ever be televised that ratings would go through the roof?? I doubt that the players would ever agree to such a thing nor the casino and they certainly wouldn't like the holecams but isn't this the ultimate in reality TV? Tournament poker is one thing where the most real money you could probably ever lose is $10,000 but if ESPN could advertise the stakes as $10,000 for the big bet it'd be hot. Just my little fantasy but for now I'll definately continue to appreciate the stories on the blog! I believe the fact that Daniel gives information regarding the big game rather remarkable. I doubt the players as a group would agree to coverage of the game. For a few of us poker junkies though, I agree, this would be reality TV at its best.
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Your win rate in $ per session is very good. Over more sessions and hours, you'll see this rate actually decline. That might sound funny, but even if you are a top player, a 5 hour session in such a game might be 3BB/hr for $12/hr. That would be a $48-$60 session. You're doing fine if you're beating it for 1.5-2.5BB an hour.
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Yes you are a hypocrite if that's the way you view it. I think this explains pretty well the difference between Mormonism and Christianity, it is less about a personal freedom found in the love of God.I didn't intend to bring up an arguement regarding Mormonism. I readily admit that I'm hypotcritical in regard to the conflict in me playing poker and my conviction that I should not. First off, I consider myself a Christian, being a believer in Christ. The difference in Mormonism and traditional Christianity is not about personal freedom, but rather in doctrine regarding revelation from God to prophets. I don't have a personal mentality of us against them when it comes to Christianity and Mormonism. I have a mentality of being together.I will argue the point of personal freedom. I'm free to chose to do whatever I like to do. I play poker, because I have that choice. I am not contained by rigid laws that make me feel confined. Yes, as a Mormon, things are fairly black and white, but I have the right to live in the grey if I so chose, or any shade in the spectrum. Honestly, I've found great enjoyment in the white area, and great sorrow in the black. If I chose to live in the white it is because of a Love of God and belief in Christ, not because of pressure from a "Mormon" restriction of freedom.I'm sorry, but according to your well established faith - you cannot gamble. Poker is a form of gambling under just about every observation the Church of LDS will apply. You know this. I have not spoken with a Mormon Elder in over 10 years... but you cannot reconcile these two "faiths". The Mormon faith is quite specific on this. You might as well drink tea and Coca-Cola. It;s easier for "Christians" because the flavors of faith there are as wide as there are sodas. I always enjoy your posts elkang. According to my well established faith-- I can gamble --- though there is a consequence for doing so. Not a punishment from the church, but a spiritual consequence.I understand your point though. I'm definitely in the minority where I specifically know and believe gambling to be something that I should not do. Therefore, I'm a far greater sinner than those where things aren't so defined, if gambling is indeed a sin. I will concede that. My original point deals largely with this. The separtation of Gambling and Christian belief occurs on a personal basis. Truth is truth, but lives are personal. We make personal decisions according to understanding and belief. Therefore, everybody is not on the same page.
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This is one of those topics I've usually avoided posting commentary on in the past, though I always am interested in the various opinions expressed by the poker community.I am a Christian who attends church on Sundays. My faith plays an enormous role in my life. That faith has shaped my life dramatically. I am human. I sin, and far more often than I should. It is for this reason that my faith in Christ is so vital to me.The religion to which I belong is well known for its conservative lifestyle. I am LDS or a Mormon as we are often called. We are taught to live lives free of addiction. Though many Mormons do by their own choice, we are taught not to drink alcohol, use tobacco, drink hot drinks (coffee), use harmful drugs, and gamble. I love poker. I was drawn to the game like the moth to the flame. It was the mathmatical portion of the game that first peaked my interest. However, I was soon enthrawled by the psychology, strategy, competion, along with the odds. Intially the money was a side thought, but over time I cannot deny that the money involved has taken a larger role in my love of the game. When I first started playing poker, I did so in private, my own personal affair that I didn't want those close to me to know of. Then I recieved a phone call one evening by a friend telling me that a group of my friends were on their way to my apartment. I asked, "what are we going to do?" He replied, "We're going to play poker." That night, I watched as several of my close friends played poker for the first time. I now had company in my little sinful indulgence. I no longer hid the fact that I liked to play poker. I've since played countless hours with friends, online, and the tables of the nicest poker rooms in Vegas. Like the Bible, which I've studied in depth, I've studied the game. My thoughts are never far from poker, as I replay hands in my head, talk with friends about strategy, post on forums, and even dream about such things as bluffing a guy off a straight with a busted flush draw, when the board paired. Am I hypocritical? Perhaps so. I knowingly go against what I've been taught. In addition, I disuade those close to me from playing poker. My younger brother has stood on the rails while I played at Bellagio, but I've tried to insure that was as close to a poker game as he would get. I don't take him to home games with friends, nor do I try to glamorize poker when talking with him. Why do I do this? Because I still believe it's in his best interest to never play the game. I suppose I see the time that I spend playing the game, and the thoughts continually passing through my head, and I want him to be "free" of such things. I want him to use his time to persue his many talents, and not get distracted. More than this, i don't want him to find himself in my situation. I don't want him to be at odds with himself. I don't want him lying in bed at night wondering if he'll ever be able to stop playing the game, while simultaneously wondering if he could have folded his flopped straight when he was sure his opponent turned the flush. I could talk at great length about poker and how it contadicts my own personal beliefs and values. I could continually agonize over these thoughts. Instead, I play the game. I raise when I believe an opponent is weak, check the turn into the raiser and make it two bets to go when I'm strong, and I fold A
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to a raise though I'd really like to see a flop. It isn't my place to judge whether another is wrong to play poker. However, I suppose I do this when I "protect" my brother from the game. I am only allowed to judge myself. What is my judgement? I'm troutsmart, an avid poker player, whose learned to consistently win in a game I love. I'm David, a twentysomething thats life would not be the same without the Christian principles I've been taught. I love both. I have been taught not to gamble, and believe it to the extent that I would hope others didn't follow my path. Does poker negatively affect my faith? I believe it does. One day, it may be soon or mybe down the road a bit, I'll have to make a decision. Do I love poker more than I love my faith? I'll have to make a decision. A decision for me, not for you. For me. -
Those who have studied science or psychology have learned of the experiments in which Ivan Pavlov studied stimulus response. Since these experiments were conducted with the use of dogs, the research is often referred to as Pavlov's Dog. When a dog smelled meat it would salivate. It would not salivate to the sound of a bell, however. Yet, when the bell was rung as the dog smelled the meat, the dog soon became conditioned. In time, the dog would salivate simply at the ring of a bell.Why am I talking about such ridiculous things as Pavlov's Dog on a poker forum? I believe their is a connection.What I'm refering to is bad play and good play. Their is a reward in poker...money. When we win a pot, we are given a reward. When a pot is pushed to a player, it no longer matters whether a player played well or poorly. They could have commited the catastophic error and been lucky, or played the hand to perfection, and been drawn out. The pot goes to the player with the best hand or the last player left in a pot. For those players who commit gross errors and win large pots, a metaphoric bell begins to ring. Their bad play has been positively reinforced, creating a bad habit.Case in point: In a NL game. Blinds at 1/2A player attempting to mix up his game calls a raise to $10 by the CO. He is in the SB with T
8 . He makes this call, because he knows the player to be tight-aggressive, but one who might overplay a hand. If he makes a hand, he might take the players stack. Then the BB reraises all-in to $50. After some brief dilibiration, the CO comes over the top going all-in, a total of $65. The SB thinks about the situation and decides to gamble and call, leaving himself with $15, even though he puts at least one of his opponents on a big pair, if not both.The cards are turned up:SB - T 8 BB- A A CO- K K Their odds to win are:SB - 15.3%BB- 65.9%CO- 18.8%The flop comes T 2 2 Turn T River J 
Final board T 2 2 T J SB wins with A Full House Tens over duecesHe scoops the pot with a huge grin on his face while his two opponents reach into their pockets for more cash. Despite drawing out on two huge hands, this player cannot separate the joy he feels at the moment.A bad play is positively reinforced. A bell rings.The next time he finds himself in a similar situation, he repeats his error. He might win again and he might lose. How many times will he make this error? Obviously, this is a dramatic example, but one not entirely farfetched. Most errors are much smaller in scale: calling 2 bets cold with a gutshot straight draw in a small pot, limping regularly, slowplaying vulnarable hands, etc. Yet, we continually see players making these errors and being rewarded. Of course, good players love these dogs who so readily respond to the bell.Good players are not immune to this syndrome or conditioning. I myself continually have evaluate whether I'm becoming conditioned to a negative play. Lately, I've made a few bad calls with A or K high, because I was rewarded previously. Not that it is terrible to call when you think your high card is good, especially in a large pot, it's simply the fact that in each of these situations I put opponents on draws, and commited myself to the pot with my read, not thinking out other possibilities. Perhaps you have your own bell that rings. A weak or poor play that you've become conditioned to making, because you have been rewarded. I'd be curious what types of plays other players find themselves making such as this. -
Luxor or excaliber for the softest games on the strip.
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To overkill the point so we understand this. Triple draw is not played no limit. It wouldn't play well at all.
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I don't believe I've discovered any secret plays in limit poker. If I had to say anything that I enjoy the most it would be getting a free card on the river by raising on the flop in position. If they bet the turn, I can fold, but usually they check to the raiser and I check behind, seeing the river for .5 BB less. They'll usaully bet out and I can now fold, check, or raise. Like I said, this is nothing apart from basic limit strategy. Just my favorite, that's all.
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EDPUNK wrote:Well its no wonder troutsmart and I are best friends, I have maybe two of his songs on my list. For those of you that like rock and roll here are some underground bands that you all should check out. 1)Brand New yes this is a band 2.Taking back Sunday 3.The killers 4. Matchbook romance 5 .Halifax 6. Hot rod circuit 7. Senses Fail Some that I would have to point out that got left of the list. 1. smashing pumkins 2. oingo boingo/danny elfaman a genius 3. metallica 4. stone temple pilots 5. nirvana 6. foofighters obviouslySmashing Pumkins- Billy Corgan. There aren't words to describe that talent. His use of layering guitars made for some of the greatest work of the 90's. I wish this guy could keep a band together, as Zwan was short lived.Oingo Boingo- Danny Elfman is a genius. I agree. Deadman'd party was a favorite growing. Not to mention his work on films, which is noteworthy. Metallica/Nirvana - Along with U2, the bands that most influenced our generation. I'll throw Pearl Jam in that mix as well. I can't name how many times Enter Sandman played on my old cd player. Foofighter- Between Nirvan and foofighters, Dave Grohl has proven himself to be one who should quickly find his way to the rock and roll hall of fame. STP- Too bad drugs have constantly torn down Weiland. As for your punk offerings, I'm coming along. You'll get me, and soon I'll be dressing like you.For those of you who don't know EDPUNK, let me inform you. He looks like Billie Joe Armstong from Green Day. Black Hair, wristbands, and constantly wearing outfits that tell the world that inside is an independent spirit. In seriousness though, Edpunk is very good friend, who has all my respect in the world.