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EmOEmU
i'm just trying to learn omaha and im not very good at it. something that i dont understand is if you can play hands where the only feature is a big pair

so if for example 6 handed if the cut off raises and i have A-A-4-7 in the big blind what should i do?

my hand is probably the best but i am out of position and have no real features to the hand except the AA so cant really continue unless one flops
greatwhite
Yes. In PLO or even limit omaha, AA is too powerful to pass up as it is a favorite over almost all other non-AA combos. The day I fold AA preflop in pot limit omaha is the day my connection gets cut off.
amarillotg
let me preface that i know extremely little about PLO.

but like the OP i have been trying to improve my game.

an article i was reading the other day suggested that with AAxx in EP or OOP should usually be played by limp/re-raising.

would you agree greatwhite?
dingas
The problem with uncooridanted and unsuited AAxx hands oop is that it is hard to play correctly post flop unless you catch another ace (and even if you do catch another ace, there will often be str8s and flushes possible). But if you manage to get all in preflop you will usually be a pretty nice favourite. So any time you have a chance to put 50% or more of your stack in preflop, it's a good play---otherwise you should play AAxx out of position as a drawing hand and look to see a cheap flop.

So typically, it is good to limp from early position, playing it like a drawing hand but being ready to re-pot it if there is a raise and a few callers after you.

From the blinds, it's pretty much the same story. You don't want to put the first raise in, but if there has already been a raise, it makes sense to re-raise if you can get a large portion of your stack in.
greatwhite
I don't always agree with limp raising. I think you should always be calling with aces in EP unless you can get like 75% of your chips in preflop.
....Ian....
scenerio:

you're on the button w/ junky aces like AA49 badugi. action gets to cut off and he re-pots preflop, and you KNOW he has aces and probably GOOD ACES. why would you play this? you're a dog
lvpro
QUOTE (....Ian.... @ Monday, May 22nd, 2006, 12:09 PM) *
scenerio:

you're on the button w/ junky aces like AA49 badugi. action gets to cut off and he re-pots preflop, and you KNOW he has aces and probably GOOD ACES. why would you play this? you're a dog


How would you KNOW he has the only two other aces in the deck? The chances of this happening are slim enough to where I don't even think about them when I'm playing.
greatwhite
QUOTE (....Ian.... @ Monday, May 22nd, 2006, 3:09 PM) *
scenerio:

you're on the button w/ junky aces like AA49 badugi. action gets to cut off and he re-pots preflop, and you KNOW he has aces and probably GOOD ACES. why would you play this? you're a dog

First of all I've never played badugi, but if you only get 4 cards, what are the odds of one of 9 other guys holding AA anyways? Most of the time you're splitting the pot anyways. It's a lot more likely you will have them dominated with KK or QQ then they will have AA.
lvpro
QUOTE (greatwhite @ Monday, May 22nd, 2006, 4:41 PM) *
First of all I've never played badugi, but if you only get 4 cards, what are the odds of one of 9 other guys holding AA anyways? Most of the time you're splitting the pot anyways. It's a lot more likely you will have them dominated with KK or QQ then they will have AA.


I could be wrong, but I believe badugi means that they're completely unsuited.
xtxoxpxd
QUOTE (....Ian.... @ Monday, May 22nd, 2006, 11:09 AM) *
scenerio:

you're on the button w/ junky aces like AA49 badugi. action gets to cut off and he re-pots preflop, and you KNOW he has aces and probably GOOD ACES. why would you play this? you're a dog
you serious? in the WORST case scenario.. AA72 badugi vs. AAJTds, you split 53%, win 12%, and lose 34% for an EV of 0.391. and this is the absolute worst aces case you could be in. just make it AA76 single suited and you win 23% (villian stays at 33%) and this is still assuming he has a double suited JT.

then factor in the fact that he might be playing KKxx stupidly or making a play with 789Tds. i can't believe you fold in that spot.

one situation in which it IS correct to fold aces is if there are multiple reraisers preflop because if your against another AAxx along with a double suited wrap, it becomes a -EV situation.
dingas
Depends on the player, but for alot of people, a potsized reraise preflop means aces 100% of the time.

If the action goes something like UTG raises pot, two callers, CO re-raises pot, and you are on the button with AA94 no suits, folding is just fine.
....Ian....
i guess when i said RE-pot that wasnt specific enough. RE-pot meaning potting it again.
timwakefield
Here's a scenario that came up for me yesterday:

MP pots, button re-pots, you are in BB with AAAx.

Easy push, right?
cdddc75
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 12:39 PM) *
Here's a scenario that came up for me yesterday:

MP pots, button re-pots, you are in BB with AAAx.

Easy push, right?



You misspelled easy fold.


AAAx might play ok heads up, but I'm dumping that three handed every time.
timwakefield
QUOTE (cdddc75 @ Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 11:49 AM) *
You misspelled easy fold.
AAAx might play ok heads up, but I'm dumping that three handed every time.



Why is it 3-handed? You are assuming not only that ANYONE will call me, but that both will call me.

MP would have seen it re-potted TWICE back to him....you think he is calling there?
cdddc75
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 12:52 PM) *
Why is it 3-handed? You are assuming not only that ANYONE will call me, but that both will call me.

MP would have seen it re-potted TWICE back to him....you think he is calling there?


Fair point, MP might let go there.

Still, your hand isn't that great...
iggymcfly
The three aces hand is definitely an easy push. Even if you get two callers, you'll be in pretty good shape, and your equity's probably more than 33% on average. Also, when you only get one caller, you're in great shape, as you're a solid favorite unless you run into something terrible like JT98 double suited.
....Ian....
the AAA hand: you could lay it down, but i'm pushin here, i think at worst this play could end up neutral EV.
i'm not afraid to gamble my stack in a cash game when i know i have an edge, even a small one

MP is gonna be scared of the button behind and will most likely fold, but even if he does its not all that bad.
greatwhite
Having AAAx in a 3 handed pot is even easier than having AAxx as you know no one else has AAxx. However, unless I can get the majority of my stack in I'm folding AAAx. Forgive me OP, as I forgot to say trip aces and quad aces should be folded. However, even your AA72 rainbow should not be. However, I will a hand like AAA(K-T) if one of the aces is suited with the ten.
Rocketwadster
A A x x unsuited or uncoordinated is way overrated, especially OOP. Hands like Ac As 5d 9h suck large...
timwakefield
QUOTE (Rocketwadster @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 5:38 AM) *
A A x x unsuited or uncoordinated is way overrated, especially OOP. Hands like Ac As 5d 9h suck large...



Agreed. I will almost always limp with AAxx. I'll only raise with very strong aces, or in very good position.

Edit: The above refers to cash games. In mtts I am pushing any AA once the blinds get going.
....Ian....
completely no content but:

I did have 4 aces one time

just figured it to be 1 in 270,725
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