Hand #9633394-6645 at Gouda (Pot Limit Omaha)
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Started at 20/Nov/05 17:25:25

bob446 is at seat 0 with $48.20.
vy2000 is at seat 1 with $12.60.
war-saw772000 is at seat 2 with $9.75.
TRALY is at seat 3 with $6.50.
SuperJon9000 is at seat 4 with $25.
dcline181 is at seat 5 with $12.65.
Hero is at seat 6 with $22.05.
Angel-T is at seat 7 with $23.80.
mrl is at seat 8 with $6.15.
A-Kuuipo is at seat 9 with $51.80.
The button is at seat 1.

war-saw772000 posts the small blind of $.10.
TRALY posts the big blind of $.25.

bob446: -- -- -- --
vy2000: -- -- -- --
war-saw772000: -- -- -- --
TRALY: -- -- -- --
SuperJon9000: -- -- -- --
dcline181: -- -- -- --
Hero: 6:spade: 8:heart: 7:spade: 9:heart:
Angel-T: -- -- -- --
mrl: -- -- -- --
A-Kuuipo: -- -- -- --

Pre-flop:

SuperJon9000 raises to $.85. dcline181 calls.
Hero calls. Angel-T folds. mrl folds.
A-Kuuipo calls. bob446 re-raises to $5.45. vy2000
folds. war-saw772000 folds. TRALY folds.
SuperJon9000 re-raises to $19.25. dcline181 folds. Hero ?????

History is that bob446 took a big pot off of SuperJon recently with a broadway wrap and a turn checkraise.

SupJon started cussing out bob for 5 minutes for "calling [the flop] with a gutshot" and basically turned into a maniac raiser.

Is this worth a call??

Versus AAKK ds not in your suits you are a losing 60/40.(we both know he doesn't have this, but he could.)

Versus AA32 ds not in your suit you are a 53% favorite.

Any other pair of aces between those 2 hands you are in between those odds. How much gamble do you have in you? That will decide it. Your hand is awesome preflop, but is it big enough to go all in? It's not like you would be dominating him if he was steaming and he reraised with junk either, best you'd be is 60/40 or so if he had nothing.

The risks you are willing to take are on you to decide.

You are not a big dog to any hand really, preflop.

this is soley a gambling hand imo..

depends comepletely on your play style.

I prefer to limp anytime i don't have position and then outplay my opponents on the flop.

With two other callers your probably even money to win this, but like spt24 said its all about how much gamble you have in you here.

personally i would just fold it down and find a better spot to get my money in, but thats because i'm usually pretty passive preflop.

i'd gamble

there's a good chance that both of them hold aces, kings, or broadway cards making your middle connecting cards drawing to good odds (although your flush draw may very well be dead)

Well, as other posters have pointed out, mathematically, the call is probably okay. It depends on if you want to risk a $25 buy-in or not. I prefer to play post-flop in PLO...so I would probably just get out of the way here.

I'm only concerned about the long run. (I have 25+ buyins for that level in my account @UB)

I was a little worried that the rake would offset any small edge I had (I figured that I had the second best hand here), but there was going to be a little dead money in the pot to offset that (I didnt expect the other caller behind me to gamble his/her stack). I'm guessing my initial .85 call should be viewed as part of the overlay, also (total of $2.90).

I was thinking about it afterwards, and wondered if the two other callers figured to have high cards (leaving more low cards in the deck, and less chance of someone hitting a set)?? Maybe I'm reaching.

that's definately not far off. i've seen many preflop raising wars with both players endeding up with pocket aces in the hole.

if this were the case, you're even money if your flush draw is dead. you actually have about 50% pot equity if your flush draws are live (since your pretty must playing against one hand).

this is definately a gambling hand, but i would call because i cant see many (if any at all) of your cards being dominated. and if you had just one live flush draw, you'd be getting even->good money on the hand.

Maybe I am reading this wrong but how are you a favorite over aces?

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1360420
pokenum -mc 500000 -o 6s 7s 8h 9h - ad ac 2d 3c
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7s 6s 9h 8h 230117 46.02 269883 53.98 0 0.00 0.460
Ac 3c Ad 2d 269883 53.98 230117 46.02 0 0.00 0.540



IMO, I would call if you expect the third player to come in. Many times you will be against 2 AA hands and will have a large share of equity, other times it will be AA, and a big pair or big rundown and you will still be in great shape. If you don't like variance then fold, but I would gamble it up here to build a stack so I could later stack some other big guys

These guys were at an ego war or something. I was sure the 2 raisers [they] were going all the way.

SuperJon posts here... you should just ask him what to do... lol

yeah, my bad. i meant 40/60

Here were the results this time..



Hero calls. A-Kuuipo folds. bob446 calls.

Flop (board: 2:spade: 9:diamond: 4:spade: ):

SuperJon9000 goes all-in for $5.75. Hero goes
all-in for $2.80. bob446 calls.

Turn (board: 2:spade: 9:diamond: 4:spade: 3:spade: ):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 2:spade: 9:diamond: 4:spade: 3:spade: 5:spade: ):

(no action in this round)


Showdown:

SuperJon9000 shows J:diamond:8:club:J:spade:2:diamond: .
SuperJon9000 has J:diamond:J:spade:9:diamond:4:spade:5:spade: : a pair of jacks.

Hero shows 6:spade:8:heart:7:spade:9:heart:.
Hero has 6:spade: 7:spade: 4:spade: 3:spade: 5:spade: : straight flush, seven high.

bob446 shows J:club:A:diamond:K:heart:A:club: .
bob446 has A:diamond: A:club: 9:diamond: 4:spade: 5:spade: : a pair of aces.



The other dudes were pretty PO'ed, because I "thought 9 high was good" and "hit a miracle". hahaa..

But I thought it was a good call (obviously this time it was... i ran it at cardplayer, and it was 38.62% (AKAJ was about 44% pre), but I suppose I got lucky that both of my flush draws were good, plus the AKAJ had one of JJ82's outs, plus I had 82 dominated).
I dealt it out about 400 times when I was passing time last night, gave the two callers who folded AKQ10 and QQ56 of equal suits (I thought it made sense to give one caller a suited ace?), then ran the rest of the deck, and 6789 won about 3-5% more than the AAKJ. Could be variance (even though I ran it enough times for AKAJ to hit broadway with the case QJ, for JJ82 to hit quad 2's, for Aces full to beat Jacks full twice, and for 6789ds to flop a straight flush). But what was clear was that 6789ds and AKAJ were taking most of the money.

Anyway
Wanted to see what youall thought... thanks for the replies.