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econ_tim
Preflop: econ_tim+1 is UTG with [Q icon_suit_spade.gif K icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif ]
UTG limps, econ_tim calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completets, BB min raises, everyone calls.

Flop: ($4.00) [A icon_suit_spade.gif 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif ]
UTG checks, econ_tim checks, MP2 bets $4.00, folds to me, econ_tim calls.

Turn: ($12.00) [J icon_suit_diamond.gif ]
econ_tim bets the pot, MP2 folds.

Besides not mucking preflop, is this hand OK?
econ_tim
I did a little thinking about this hand, and I'm likely a favorite on the flop so I think I should repot it. This commits me to calling any turn that doesn't pair the board.
BDPoolie
I'm not a huge Omaha player, but play some, but I'd think for just a limp (and then stuck in for a minimum raise) I'd come in with this.

I think calling this is fine, although a repot works too.

For me personally, I would have checked after the turn and let MP2 take the lead. I would slow play it here and take my chances that another diamond doesn't hit or the board doesn't pair. But, then again slow plays can burn you sometimes. I've hands like this many times, and actually many times this turns out to be a split pot because both players are holding the K-10.
JacKingOff_suit
Preflop call was ok since it's 40 points, the table was loose passive, and there were so many callers making your hand profitable, along with so many callers, I hope the board would be rich in the high cards.

I won't repot the flop since I was out of position, and my hand was still a drawing hand. Think about what if the turn brings a low card, pairing the board... that will put me into tough decision...

Potting the turn was bad, no betting was also bad. I will make a bet to trap my opponent, depending on the player. Remember, u had yourself redraws on the turn as well, don't waste this opportunity.
econ_tim
I'd like to hear more thoughts on this hand, since I think it is a pretty common situation. I'm ahead of sets on the flop (as long as they don't have straight draws), so I would like to get my money in then.

On the turn, checking would be a disaster, but if I bet less than the pot, what should it be? I would love to get all my money in against someone who has the straight but no redraw. Frrrrrrrrrreeeeroll!
JacKingOff_suit
but if I bet less than the pot, what should it be?

Now paying attention to each player, making notes on them, and knowing their tendency pays you back at this kind of situation. Is he a call station? does he like to bluff? Will he observe your small bet as a strength or a bluff... There is really no concrete answer, it really depends.
Chamonyx
QUOTE (econ_tim)
I'd like to hear more thoughts on this hand, since I think it is a pretty common situation. I'm ahead of sets on the flop (as long as they don't have straight draws), so I would like to get my money in then.

On the turn, checking would be a disaster, but if I bet less than the pot, what should it be? I would love to get all my money in against someone who has the straight but no redraw. Frrrrrrrrrreeeeroll!


What were the stack sizes? Remember, you are not playing to win the pot, but to win your opponents whole stack.

If either of you are very short, then I re-pot the flop, get the money in then and be done with it.

Now let's think about what happens if you are both deep stacked. What you want to be able to do is make a really big bet on the turn if you hit (which also meands that the board hasn' t paired), which he calls. For that to happen you need 2 things: money in the pot and him to be committed to it! You can certainly afford to re-pot the flop and call a re-re-raise if it comes. (Position is actually less important here, since you can put him on a set so you are going bail if the board pairs, and the flop is rainbow - and then comes diamonds which is perfect for you.) If you don't re-pot the flop, then I think you have to try to check-raise the turn because otherwise he knows he is beat and can get away from the small pot too easily (QED). So again, my preference is to get more in on the flop, but if you haven't then there is no point betting out on the turn: If he has a set he will probably bet it again and if he has a str8 he will certainly bet it. If he has nothing he will fold to any worthwhile bet.
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