PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 ($25)
Hero (CO) ($24.65)
Button ($23.20)
SB ($25)
BB ($6.70)
UTG ($22.35)
UTG+1 ($54.50)
MP1 ($9.20)
MP2 ($25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, A, Q, Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 bets $1.10, Hero raises to $3.90, Button calls $3.90, 3 folds, MP3 calls $2.80

Flop: ($12.30) 8, Q, J (3 players)
MP3 checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets what?


I want to bet because it is so drawy against two opponents, but I would hate putting money is drawing from behind if we are outflopped.

I'm not folding so is this a super easy pot and call, or c/c?

The more I look at this, does anyone, ever, think about checking this flop. I'm starting to like this I think. At first I thought a half pot bet was good, then i couldn't justify anything other than potting.....but now I'm questioning both to the check.

To get things straight I am not thinking about releasing this hand at all, in fact if the button comes with a bet on the flop, I'll check-call at him at minimum. But I don't think I'd mind a turn card here for information. there's a good chance we could be racing with a wrap broadway straight/flush draw hand from either of these guys. Obviously by taking this more passive line, you will need to play smart on the turn if a relatively probable scare card does appear on the turn.

I dunno, something about holding that J to kill one of our boat outs just changes the dynamic of this hand for me, especially with two opponents, one having position on me. While we have the 2nd nuts on the flop. It's a total redraw happy flop that will bring lots of people around for the ride.

Anyone else willing to check this flop, C/C or C/R if the button fires, and reevaluate after the turn??

Agreed totally
I check call flop from 1 bet for 3 reasons. 1.) button may check 2.) button bets and mp+3 raises we know we probably are in a shit spot where we have to dodge a lot up against a super draw. 3.) if button bets and mp+3 dumps we are looking slightly better
We know more about where we are if we check, no fireworks and a blank turn i think we can reevaluate and probably bet like 1/2 pot. I wouldn't mind c/c every street on blanks we have showdown value here lets try and see it cheaply. I have a feeling this hand goes ass crazy on turn with possibly mp+3 missing his check raise if us and button check flop which is why i hate leading out on flop. Outside chance scary cards comes and everyone checks and action gets frozen but that is a bit of a reach i know

Like the agreement , but disagree some of these parts.

In #2, if button bets and MP3 raises, there's a good chance we're not dodging anymore, we're probably behind. For MP3 to pull this off, I limit his range to exactly 89. If he had 89 with a FD, etc. or just a draw, I would expect a call from him.
#3, if this happens I probably check-raise the turn unless the button bet pot on both flop and turn. If he does this, then it's a real soul read I think. Button could easily be betting a multitude of draws though after being checked to in position on the flop. Our top set would be very well concealed here, so even if he does end up having 89 on us, we will still be drawing to 9 outs on the river.

Just my 2 cents.

I don't agree with the previous posts' analysis - I think this is an easy pot and call.

We are never ever folding this flop, even if it gets potted. Keep in mind here guys, there are less than two PSB remaining in the effective stacks. Even if Hero checks, BTN pots and MP3 shoves, we're getting over 2.5:1 (BTN would never fold) with the second nuts and a 28% or so redraw to the effective nuts. Besides, most villains' ranges are far wider than T9 exactly even with that action... any set and combo draw would do the same thing. Our equity is better than you two previous guys seem to think.

We're never folding regardless of action, so we can't risk the check behind where about 51409 turn cards makes us hate our hand and let villains play more correctly.

Pot/call and live with results.

That's gotta be right. I like to overthink. I also like to give advice that i feel is founded, but is more probably a result of playing less than optimally when playing beyond my online B/R in games.

Good eye opener of sorts for me here.

Highlighted info is at least one, if not two, steps above the most of the analysis we usually get here. Well done S-ND

I don't play FR, but is this a standard 3 bet here after an early limp and HJ raise?

I'm gonna say yes, unless HJ is an ultra (18/1) nit.

First instinct was to check but it's better to bet pot since it should eliminate any non-nut flush draws that don't have a straight. If someone has a straight already you're getting it in anyway, so you should take the action that will maximize your chances to win the pot.

Interesting to see what others think about this: if the pot on the flop was $2 instead of $12, would your action be different?

I'd still pot, but it may no longer be a pot/call depending on the raise size and which villain it comes from. Too many variables to accurately analyze past that point, I think. I would say that I would much more heavily consider the pot/fold option.