Ok so i was playing a plo hand on full tilt .01-.02 cent 6 max HA pot limit game and this hand came up:
Important stacks and reads:
Villain #1 in cutoff: has $2.63 and I have him labeled as a mostly LAG player who has attack weakness a lot and also seems to be more of a NLHE player. I have seen him make overplays in plo where he pushed very hard with just straight draws in flush draw/ straight flush boards a few times, Seen him station float against me when he was in position with a few weak hands, and he has been having a roll coaster session, after about 1 hour and 30 minutes seen him go from way up to way down and back again. Also he has been chatting a lot and showed a play or 2 when he made them, I think in his mind he thinks he is a great player. Seen him mostly play on level 1 with a few level 2 plays, but not much beyond overvaluing hands and riding some variance. Also I have seen him limp or raise when folded to preflop every time, no PT stats but seemed like it was the case.

Hero on Button with $9.58: Ok so I have been playing some small ball poker and I think it bugs most of the table when I probe a good amount. All in all I have played pretty decent poker and had a streak when I stacked a horrible player who was buying in for the minimum and was a total moron at plo in which case I just stuck it in with any nut or second nut draw and crushed him, he was just looking to gamble and double up and seen him do idiotic things. This gave me a slightly more LAGish image then I really was playing, but I had shown some plays where I mixed up my preflop range and hit flops big and trapped where they would expect to see more action out of me also. My 3-bet and 4-bet range has been pretty legit and I had about 30 hands earlier stacked villain #1 with AAxx against his QQxx preflop but he was very short and reuped and had hit a good hand since then.
Villain #2 short stack in SB with $.83 behind him: He has been short stacking all session and just doesn’t know how to play poker at all, let himself almost get blinded out in a ring game and I expect him to play so level one stationish that he is my target in this hand even thou I felt I had a decent read on both

Action: *** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rumsey182 [Ac 2s Ad 7c]
Villain #1 calls .02
Hero raises to .09
Villain #2 calls .08
BB folds
Villain #1calls .07
Pot (.27)*** FLOP *** [Kc Ks Kh]
Villain #2 checks
Villain #1checks
Hero checks
•I thought this was a good place to trap, let anything roll off and see if I could get any value out of this hand. I was hoping SB would lead out turn with either a pocket pair or hitting turn so I could flat and stick him in blind on river
Pot still .27*** TURN *** [Kc Ks Kh] [5h]
Villain #2 checks
Villain #1checks
Hero checks
•I’m thinking ok, nobody is making a move at this pot, bad for me now I like to see if the flush hit so maybe I could get value out of that, not happy nobody bet but I think I have so much equity that letting another card roll off gives a much larger range to what pays off on river, im still thinking Sb pays off any boat on river
Pot still .27*** RIVER *** [Kc Ks Kh 5h] [8s]
Villain #2 checks
•Crap my target failed me on all 3 streets he must have nothing
Villain #1bets .20
•Thank god someone showed interest, I was praying for pocket pair bigger than an 8 or for him to think I was making a play at him
Hero raises to .89
In hind sight do i ever just flat here? IMO i don't but would love some opinions here too i guess
Villain #2 folds
•Oh well I was hoping he would see lots of dead money and shove
Villain #1raises to 2.54, and is all in
•Wow I think “ Holy Crap what happened to my perfect little plan?” Hero?
A.Insta calls?
B.Tanks and calls?
C.Hates life and folds?
D.Insta folds
I don’t like any of these plays at ton. I know the time it takes for me to call/fold or not is not too relevant but just want to judge how easy of a play this truly is. I mean until river shove I was so sure I had the best hand. Also was the tarpping a decent play or should I make my trap snap on turn? Was it wrong to feel like I had the hand on almost total lock?

I would probably call the raise. The other option is 3-bet for value and fold to a 4-bet.

It's quickly clear that your villain has been chomping at the bit for some betting as well. Unless you truly think the player is inept enough to be raising and 4-betting here with the 3rd best hand or worse....no, scratch that. Even at .01/.02, it can't be +EV to call this 4-bet. Honestly, thinking of this specific situation, I call the raise and be done with it. Looking at the line, a donk player would be firing out on 3rd, or at minimum 4th with AA/QQ/JJ. It's clear he wants this thing to go to showdown, when he waits until the river for a raise. I call here. The problem is if you 3 bet, I just don't think you are getting paid off enough with anything you beat vs. the clear card that beats you, or his fold to your 3 bet.

So essentially, by 3 betting you've pretty much opened the door to a 4 bet from the K putting you in a bind, or a fold from any other donkish bluff play here, thereby either netting no added profit, or a potentially much larger loss.

I see what your saying. In hindsight i had been pwning villain #1 a lot so i should have thought that maybe he would be looking to make me look like an idiot. Also i was so focused on trying to get the short stack in this hand i should have payed more consideration to the other person in the hand. So flat. Man i though that 3-bet on river was going to get payed off thou and i don't for the life of me know why, maybe my read on him was wrong but i had in my head that QQxx or JJxx would be in his range. Must have been hopeful thinking looking at the action in hindsight. In the heat of the moment, i thought for sure at least a tiny donk bet would have come from quads it seems akward for quads to not bet there. IDK i think i over thought that it could have set up him to rep a flush draw but i don;t think he would be thinking that much about this hand

Against 2 villains, at this level, I just call river lead.

so i basically tried to milk value that wasn't there right? would like a micro raise be wrong?

Well, that's not what I was saying, but if that was the point of your raise, I agree that there was zero value there.

ok because yah it was i guess i feel too in love with my hand so thanks

This is the worst option available, unless your plan is to lessen the blow to a four bet pot sized bet that you plan to call.
Micro raise is literally just reopening the betting. The only way a micro raise effectively milks value is if you think you are ahead and don't think the guy will call a larger 3 bet. That's really not applicable here.

For what it's worth I like the 3rd street check, and even 4th street. THAT is your value play I think. If you aren't gonna be able to lay down the 2nd nuts on this hand....you wait it out so that way if you are against a K, you only deal with one raise at the end (or whatever transpires....but keeping the pot smaller)....and a surprisingly great majority of pocket pairs are going to call your bet on 5th with this patience bringing in more money at the end with less risk of getting stacked by a solitary K floating in a hand.
It all just went to shit when you reopened it with a 3 bet

I had been pretty active throughout the session i hadn't shown any check check postflop after a preflop raise so i though between that and i kind of was planing of betting out on the river i made a big miscalculation on his range. after looking at this for a few hours clearly i should have just flatted on the river. I got too fancy i think that is the moral of the story

i dont understand the posts here.
we cant 3bet the river. he bet, we raised, he shoved.
which, from our reads, is what we wanted.

we could just call the .20 river bet, but against a villain who likes to try and steal pots and even if he has QQ or JJ will probably still call a mediumish raise, i think raising is better.

but you guys play way more omaha than me.