Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3, K
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 4, 3, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

Turn: (4.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises...


looking for free showdown UI
i would often also play JJ-AA this way, tho i dont think he's seen me do it. no reads on him.

I'd call the turn to see the river, and reevaluate on the river, you still have position, use it...

with this line i dont have to reeval the river.
i get 3bet, i fold river unless i improve

i dont get 3bet, i check back the river UI and bet a 3, K, diamond

i also get more $$ in when i improve and pay the same (unless he 3bets) when i dont.

so, how are we reeval'ing if we just call? when are we folding? when are we calling?

I like the line. His range is pretty wide IMO as he called out of the BB and we're playing 5 handed.

He check raised the flop, and we still raised the turn so he has to give us credit for a big hand. I imagine he flats the turn with almost all Jx hands. I like your thought process regarding what to do with the river... a 3/K/:diamond: is good and obv the hand will play itself... I'd check call most rivers based on size of pot...

I've seen villains take similar lines with air a lot in LHE as they want to defend their BB, so they c/r the flop and lead at the turn

Still, I like the line. As far as when I would fold the river, not often. If villain 3bets Turn, an unimproved river-fold is warranted.

I like it a lot.

It's a steal vs a blind defense, so his range is huge here, and that's a super easy flop to c/r bluff. I mean, I think I'd like the turn raise even more if we didn't have showdown value, as a pure semi-bluff in that case, but I still like it here. I hate just calling, and calling the river UI and he shows me some retarded rivered pair.

Oh sorry, I've just see that it was limit hold em, my thinking process may not be the same as in no limit.

I have to say that this really isn't a spot to rfsd. Villian either has a2 a5 56, some random 4, a jack, or air. You vtown yourself against a jack, especially when the dude is passive (very common at these limits) and doesn't vb a lot of rivers. You get 3b by a four. 56 is 3-barreling almost any river so you don't need to be concerned with getting two bets from a draw on the turn. You bluff out air losing yourself a bet on the river if he decides to fire down, and on this texture with an agg opponent, this is worth a lot. Against the ace high gut shots, your equity edge is so small that it doesn't compensate for the value you lose against the rest of his range when you raise.

i dont valuetown myself against a J if i dont bet the river. I'm also decently behind pocket pairs who probably wont fold with only one over. but in these cases i lose the same if the river doesn't get bet (and often, it wont) and i make an extra bet when i hit (and with 2 3s, 3 Ks, 9 Ds, often i will)

i have a big equity advantage over Ax gutshots and other straight draws on the turn (77% vs A5 and 56, 81% vs A2, 84% vs 67), so making them pay extra to draw is pretty big.

the only downside is, if like you said, he's barrelling with air, and will barrel the river. but he has 4 outs if it's just air, and 7 if he has an A (when the J pairs). if he folds any of that (which he wont always, esp. if he has an A) then it kinda sucks, but not enough to outweigh all the benefits i get from his other, more likely hands.

i hate when guys post and then argue with everyone who tries to help them, but after looking at the hand again i think raising the turn for a free showdown UI is 100% the right play. On this dry board my turn raise looks much bigger than it might on a medium-high connected board, and it's harder for him to have a big hand he'd want to put in a turn 3bet or river bet. anything less than AJ is doing exactly what i want.

I play this hand exactly as OP.



Exactly.
If you get 3bet on the turn, your little pair of 3's is behind and not worth showdown.
So you can get away from it without additional loss.



Have I ever mentioned how much I hate the ole "reevaluate later" logic.
It gets so many people into trouble.
All evaluation should be done NOW.
Every possible river action should be assessed and determined before we get there.

If we think things through, which it looks like you have done, it becomes pretty clear that this semi-bluff raise has a whole lot of value to it and is well worth the extra bet.

Well played

--CM