Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with K , A
2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, CO calls

Flop: (7 SB) 7 , 7 , J (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

River: (7.5 BB) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds

Total pot: $15 (7.5 BB) | Rake: $0.75


sometimes i station, sometimes i dont know what i was doing.

I call that river after calling the turn.

Turn is an iffy spot and depends entirely on your opponent. Everything which was semibluffing got there against you in some way.

I think in a vacuum, folding the turn is probably ok. I'm a colossal station and probably show this down more than I should.

tbh knowing what he does with hands like


AJ
66
T9
99
A7

on this flop (and preflop?) is kinda key to deciding what to do on the turn.

You don't have to, I mean, we're drawing, so we don't always need to showdown. We have 4 outs to the straight, and whatever number of outs we want to give ourselves for over cards. Getting 6.5 to 1 means we need to hit the river only 13% of the time (sorta, ignoring reverse implied odds a little), so we'd need about 6 outs or so, which means we think our over cards are outs 1/3rd of the time, to breakeven.

I would say we win/lose maybe the same when we hit an overcard, so the implied, and reverse implied are close-ish.

We gain an extra bet, sometimes 2 when we hit the straight, if he overplays 7x, sometimes we lose 2 when he has a boat.

So we can sorta draw profitably here and fold the river.

Now, the question as to whether or not our A-high is good on the river is an interesting one. When the villain bets this river, he's sorta polarized. He's got a made hand (7 or a T), sometimes a good J, sometimes a straight (although lots of those would check behind that river, even though we basically never have a boat here, ourselves). In theory, he'd also be betting his air, but unless he had complete air on the flop, he doesn't have complete air now, as you pointed out, any semibluff got there somehow.

Meh on the river, but turn call is ok, even if we are c/f'ing the river.

how often should we be folding A high or something on the river after calling the turn? not just here but in general?
i know it's situational and read dependent, but i think i was finding myself thinking "he might bluff raise/bet the flop, and c-bet the turn, but surely he can't bluff the river when i've shown i'm calling down" and then folding the river when all i can beat is a bluff.

then i realize i take that semi-bluff line a lot and i still bet the river if nothing iffy comes and villain hasn't acted as if he liked his hand. so maybe i should be calling down with A high on low-mediumish flops more.

eh, not sure if this is really an answerable question or just me rambling.

I mean, to be honest, I call here too. Some guys can have like 66 here for whatever reason.

The whole thing about calling the river because you called the turn is this: It really only applies when you weren't drawing. If you call the turn without proper odds to improve your hand to the best hand, then it implies that you think you have the best hand some of the time, and therefore, you think you have the best hand at showdown enough. This means you'd need to calculate the pot odds to call 2 streets (or 1 street, plus whatever portion of time he bets the river) in order to get to showdown, all at once, and make the decision there.

Now, there's a difference that can come up depending on the style of your opponent. There are types who shutdown on the river with weak made hands, A high, etc, and will only bet strong hands, will shut down bluffs, and so on. These guys, the extra information you gain from a river bet is enough to make the turn call fine (where you know you get to showdown for 1 bet most of the time, or fold knowing you had the worst hand), and also makes a river fold fine, in cases where we weren't drawing. The additional information changes the dynamic enough.

Of course, poker players don't always make it that easy, so there's some guesswork involved, of course. Some of us will take our last barrel to the grave and fire it every time, etc, so those guys you need to be more committed to getting to showdown, so that decision is made on the turn.

I kinda lost my momentum in this post, but I think I covered everything I wanted to.

Heh when I was thinking this through in my head I was completely ignoring the straight outs.

So yea turn peel is good, I usually call the river too.

Unless I have a proven read that Villain is not a bluffer, this hand is always played the same way by me.

There are enough players who will bluff this whole way in position to warrant showing down my AK.
And since many made hands just got counterfeited on the river, our winning chances just went up.

Realistically, we are almost ONLY behind a Jack here.
The pot may be split often.
But we are also ahead a good percentage of the time.
So without a specific read telling me otherwise, I call this river every time.

--CM