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DocHoliday
I am really wondering if I have played this hand correctly. I have not made the move on the flop, because I know he will chase down the flush, but with that turn, is my play correct?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($5.55)
UTG ($27)
Hero (MP) ($71.20)
CO ($24.40)
Button ($27.20)
SB ($28.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 2 icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_club.gif, Q icon_suit_club.gif
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50) A icon_suit_heart.gif, 3 icon_suit_spade.gif, Q icon_suit_heart.gif (6 players)
SB bets $1.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25, 2 folds

Turn: ($4) 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $8.75, SB raises to $27.40 (All-In), Hero calls $18.65

River: ($58.80) J icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $58.80 | Rake: $2.90
SwolyswoND
I'm not sure what your question here is.

Raising flop is better, but as played, this is super standard. What's to ask?
jmbreslin
I actually don't mind playing the T2P a bit cautiously. Two pair is a very vulnerable hand in PLO, especially in a multi-way pot. The turn will either be a card you don't want to see, in which case you get out with minimal investment, or it will be a favorable card, in which case you can make a move. In this case you got pretty much the best possible card you could have gotten, so you should absolutely be getting it in on the turn.
antistuff
raise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>call

not exactly, but sorta
pokerinc
you must be from Michigan if you're buying new houses for 10,000 bbs.

MaxStPolish
QUOTE (jmbreslin @ Sunday, April 19th, 2009, 7:47 PM) *
I actually don't mind playing the T2P a bit cautiously. Two pair is a very vulnerable hand in PLO, especially in a multi-way pot. The turn will either be a card you don't want to see, in which case you get out with minimal investment, or it will be a favorable card, in which case you can make a move. In this case you got pretty much the best possible card you could have gotten, so you should absolutely be getting it in on the turn.


Agreed. I play top two with a lot of caution with any sort of coordinated board in a non-SnG turbo type environment. They can have legitimate showdown value...but on the same token I hate getting over aggro with them because of the amount of times you end up facing a set, or the wide variety of draws that fill. I play a pretty passing PLO game anyways, letting the action come TO me. This is probably one of those times I'm obviously in, but would have check called as well and reevaluate on the turn.

As said, after that turn, it's pretty obvious/auto pilot, with how the hand went down.
SwolyswoND
So I'm guessing the OP lost to AKT3?
antistuff
QUOTE (MaxStPolish @ Monday, April 20th, 2009, 12:25 PM) *
Agreed. I play top two with a lot of caution with any sort of coordinated board in a non-SnG turbo type environment. They can have legitimate showdown value...but on the same token I hate getting over aggro with them because of the amount of times you end up facing a set, or the wide variety of draws that fill. I play a pretty passing PLO game anyways, letting the action come TO me. This is probably one of those times I'm obviously in, but would have check called as well and reevaluate on the turn.

As said, after that turn, it's pretty obvious/auto pilot, with how the hand went down.


an 8 of hearts falls on the turn

opponent bets pot into you

what do you do?

maybe i'm trying to play plo like plo8 here but i think you will end up folding the best hand way too often.

DocHoliday
QUOTE (SwolyswoND @ Monday, April 20th, 2009, 8:51 PM) *
So I'm guessing the OP lost to AKT3?


No, I did not lose the hand, and this was not result oriented anyway. Had I lost, it would be perfectly fine, I know how it goes. It's just there was this guy there who would not stop about how I played it wrong and how I should look him up to see his stats LOL K3r3b33r I think, smthng like that.

Oh, I am not from Michigan, and it depends on the size of the blinds/bets wink.gif
antistuff
you really hate like half the deck here. i thought when we're on the flop in plo and we have a hand we are pretty sure is best but almost any cards that come are going to make it tough to play we get as much in on that flop as we can (we're also probably not getting paid if we boat up which makes me want to get even more money in now).

however, you have position. so a good piece of that half of the deck you hate might get checked to you and you can take it down with a 3/4 pot bet.

not to diss the validity of the other replies, but simo, bud, pdiddy, where are you? come clear this up smile.gif
simo_8ball
Noone has said the most obvious thing yet. Fold preflop. AQ52 is utter trash, even more so when you don't have position.

You should definitely be raising this flop. If you get 3bet you can call and play the turn (or fold if you're feeling nitty), but for now you need to be trying to get some of the draws out of the pot. By flat calling you're letting people come in with a lot of random flush draws, gutshots, pairs, etc. for very cheap. By raising you protect your hand.

As played, you hit gin on the turn. You need to raise more than just $5.25 there. By raising small you're making it cheap for your opponent to draw, but you're giving yourself the opportunity to fold to a big bet on a bad river. You're pricing him in, but you're limiting his implied odds. On the other hand if you pot it (raise to $14.5), you're very rarely folding on any river giving him ~$10 in implied odds, but you are pricing him out of his draw. In this case, with these stacks, you want to be raising full pot on the turn.
antistuff
simo,

i didn't think you folded hands preflop? hmmm...interesting....

i'm also very curious what you think about this line of reasoning from above (if you have a moment to reply smile.gif )

QUOTE
you really hate like half the deck here. i thought when we're on the flop in plo and we have a hand we are pretty sure is best but almost any cards that come are going to make it tough to play we get as much in on that flop as we can (we're also probably not getting paid if we boat up which makes me want to get even more money in now).


like as in when we have the best hand on the flop the more turn and river cards we hate the more we want to get as much in as we can now.
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