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CoranMoran


PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, Q
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (6 SB) 3, A, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: (4.5 BB) Q (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $27 (4.5 BB) | Rake: $1


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Just want to see if this is standard for everybody.

The double call on the flop means I am against atleast one Ace most of the time, right?
The double check on the river seems to contradict this though.

Against unknowns, can this be value bet against two opponents?

Please advise.

--CM


Note: If there were clear reads on the opponents, the decision would obviously be simple.
But then it wouldn't be interesting.
checkymcfold
i'd say that if we're ahead, we get 1.5 bets of value on average, since draws don't really seem likely on that flop, except for 45, which got there and can't exist cuz no one bet it.

if we're behind, we lose 1 bet.

i think it's for value better than 2/5=40% of the time, so i bet.
CobaltBlue
I think I bet. One of them usually has a mid pair and the other probably has a 6. If they're so passive as to check an ace there, I don't think you'd have to worry about being raised. Any idea on how passive they are in general?
antistuff
in general i bet here.
DinkDonk
I bet, but it's close.
SpatsJ
QUOTE (DinkDonk @ Saturday, December 27th, 2008, 3:05 AM) *
I bet, but it's close.


I agree. You should bet. They're not showing anything and I agree that if they're passive enough not to raise on the river, you can get them out with a bet.
pg_780
QUOTE (CoranMoran @ Saturday, December 20th, 2008, 1:43 PM) *
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, Q
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (6 SB) 3, A, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: (4.5 BB) Q (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $27 (4.5 BB) | Rake: $1


=================

Just want to see if this is standard for everybody.

The double call on the flop means I am against atleast one Ace most of the time, right?
The double check on the river seems to contradict this though.

Against unknowns, can this be value bet against two opponents?

Please advise.

--CM


Note: If there were clear reads on the opponents, the decision would obviously be simple.
But then it wouldn't be interesting.


If one of the two flop callers is a pure elephant (never agress, only check-call) then maybe I'd check. However, against semi-normal players I think you can value bet here...you'd get value if opponent has a 6.
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