Ok boys - anyone that checks the omaha forum and has seen the low content thread there might know where I'm going with this.

I started playing plo about 8 months ago. At first I sucked. Badly.

Simo8ball started the low content thread (known for the rest of the post only as lc thread - or just lc). I posted a shitload of hands in there. Some I thought I played well, some I knew I played poorly, and some were just funny or quirky or interesting.

I played some o8 tonight for the first time in a loooong time. It's a nice break from plo, and I think I might mix in a bit of the hi-lo to the game these days.

Therefore - I need a "home" in the o8 forum, and the lc thread is just that place.

If you have a hand that you just want to show, brag about, bitch about, etc - this is where it goes. If it's got strategic content or you're looking for feedback, in here probably isn't the best spot...lol

Through the Omaha forum lc thread, BudBundy, Simo, Iggy and BigLebowski (before the last 3 disappeared) literally taught me how to play that game. I hope you guys can help me in the same way, and that I can do my part and give back to the forum as well.

Cheers, and good luck!

Sorry to start off on a sour note. Nice push and obv catch by this clown.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $43.20
UTG+1: $48.50
CO: $65.95
Button: $142.35
Hero: $100
BB: $35.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 6 T 2 8
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 7 9 4 ($4, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $4, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: J ($12, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 is all-in $43.5, Hero calls.

River: 7 ($99, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $99)


Results:
Final pot: $99
Hero showed 6d Tc 2d 8c
UTG+1 showed 4c 9h 4s 7c

Prob my own fault - should I be completing with this at 6max?

Should I just be raising every time I see AAxx in this game? Wasn't sure. Talk about the perfect flop when you see his hand.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $19
UTG+1: $66.45
CO: $48.25
Hero: $68.25
SB: $53.45
BB: $18.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A T A 8
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, CO folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: K 8 A ($4.25, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $4.25, Hero raises to $17, UTG+1 raises to $59.5, Hero raises all-in $66.5, UTG+1 calls all-in $9.45.
Uncalled bets: $9.45 returned to UTG+1.

Turn: 7 ($130.25, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $137.25)


River: 9 ($130.25, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $137.25)


Results:
Final pot: $130.25
UTG+1 showed Ac 8d Kc 2c
Hero showed As Tc Ah 8h

Are the players seriously this bad in o8?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $19.35
UTG+1: $51.15
CO: $61.70
Hero: $101.25
SB: $69.75
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A 3 9 A
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, CO calls, Hero raises to $7.75, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: 7 2 5 ($31.25, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $31.25, BB raises all-in $42.25, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: T ($115.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $115.75)


River: 3 ($115.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $115.75)


Results:
Final pot: $115.75
BB showed 6h 5s Qs 9h <---wtf?
Hero showed Ac 3s 9c As

Are players this bad, part deux

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $113.80
UTG+1: $15
CO: $46.80
Button: $80.55
SB: $19.50
Hero: $61.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 3 6 A A
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: 4 A 4 ($2.5, 5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets $1.25, SB calls, Hero raises to $7.5, 3 folds, SB calls.

Turn: 9 ($18.75, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13, SB calls all-in $11.5.
Uncalled bets: $1.5 returned to Hero.

River: 5 ($41.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $41.75)


Results:
Final pot: $41.75
SB showed Jh Qd Jd Th <---double wtf
Hero showed 3c 6s Ac As

Hey BDC welcome to the O8 side of things!!!!!!

Here's one for you


PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Omaha/8 (10 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , , , . Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero (poster) checks, 2 folds, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) , , (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls $0.40 (All-In), Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (11.80 BB) (5 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (15.80 BB) (5 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Final Pot: 23.80 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Kd 3h Qh Kc (High: two pair, kings and jacks).
Hero has 7h As Ah 6h (High: full house, aces full of jacks).
SB has 8c Jc Jd Ks (High: four of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: SB wins 23.80 BB.

here's one where I actually won a pot! good thing I cashed in a NL rebuy MTT yesterday cause the HL action was rough!


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Preflop: Hero is Button with , , , . UTG+2 posts a blind of $0.35.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (8.80 SB) , , (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.40 BB) (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (8.40 BB) (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.25 (All-In), Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.40 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has 8c As 5c 3h (Low: 6, 5, 3, 2, A | High: flush, ace high).
Hero has 4c Th 3d Ac (Low: 5, 4, 3, 2, A | High: flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.40 BB.

Yes bdc30, the games are soft even at Full Tilt.

The $50 buy-in is real soft and there's good value there. The hands that played against you in the 2 examples are very very weak. Normally would expect something a little better to play, but still they will sometimes draw to split(nuts).

Yeh, like you said if you have strategy hands, best to post in a separate thread.

Soft almost isn't the word. What is this moron doing, and why did the low have to hit to cost me 1/4?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $100
UTG+1: $35.20
CO: $0
Button: $447
SB: $41.25
BB: $196

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 7 2 K A
Hero calls, 3 folds, BB raises to $3, Hero calls.

Flop: 4 6 J ($6.5, 3 players)
BB bets $6.5, Hero raises all-in $97, BB calls.

Turn: T ($200.5, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $200.5)


River: 8 ($200.5, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $200.5)


Results:
Final pot: $200.5
BB showed Ah 5h 3c 2h
Hero showed 7h 2s Ks Ad

Sometimes is it is that ez!!!!!


PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Omaha/8 (10 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , , , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) , , (5 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, Button caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (20.50 BB) (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 3d 3h Tc 4c (Low: 7, 6, 5, 4, 3 | High: straight, seven high).
Button has Qs 6s 4h 9c (Low: 7, 6, 5, 4, 3 | High: straight, seven high).
Hero has Ah 6d 4s 2h (Low: 6, 5, 3, 2, A | High: flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 23.50 BB.

I'm confused...there are 4 hearts on the board but neither of you have 2 in your hand...so neither of you have the flush...

stupid coverter issue. had the str8 obv.

sad how often I've been seeing this from the wrong end lately. guess at least I didn't raise it one more time...sigh


PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Omaha/8 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, A, K, 3.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) K, T, 5 (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 8d 5h 9s 5c (High: four of a kind, fives).
Hero has Kh Ad Ks 3c (High: full house, kings full of tens).
Outcome: BB wins 14.50 BB.

Here's a nice example of a heads up hand. We like?


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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7, 2, A, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, Hero caps, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2, 8, 9 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (7 BB) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 7d 2h Ac Ad (Low: 7, 5, 3, 2, A | High: one pair, aces).
SB has Qd Ks Jc Kc (High: one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB.

im not sure why you are betting the river? do you feel that you have one side locked up and you are making a safe bluff?

You sooo stole this from our forum! simo *may* be mad that you stole his thread title.

(...and I'm on the first page of this forum's superthread)

yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. didn't think there was any way he had a str8 after I checked behind on the turn and he still checked the river

taken some more beats lately dropped down to micro..... well think I might stay here a while


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.02 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($4.47)
Button ($3.59)
SB ($2.88)
BB ($5.07)
UTG ($1.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T, 2, A, 2.
UTG raises to $0.07, Hero calls $0.07, 1 fold, SB calls $0.06, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.23) 9, 4, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.23, Hero calls $0.23, SB folds.

Turn: ($0.69) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.69, UTG raises to $1.25, Hero calls $0.56.

River: ($3.19) J (2 players)

Final Pot: $3.19

Results in white below:
UTG has Jh 4c 6s Ah (Low: 7, 6, 5, 4, A | High: two pair, jacks and fours).
Hero has Th 2d Ad 2c (Low: 7, 5, 4, 2, A | High: flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $3.19.

the trick is to find people who do that for $200. they are out there.

I luv micro limits!!!! I'm either just getting lucky in the tables I'm picking or this is like a candy store!!!! doubling buy-ins at 3 out of 4 tables in an hr is fun!!!!!!



PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.02 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($4.47)
Button ($3.59)
SB ($2.88)
BB ($5.07)
UTG ($1.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T, 2, A, 2.
UTG raises to $0.07, Hero calls $0.07, 1 fold, SB calls $0.06, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.23) 9, 4, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.23, Hero calls $0.23, SB folds.

Turn: ($0.69) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.69, UTG raises to $1.25, Hero calls $0.56.

River: ($3.19) J (2 players)

Final Pot: $3.19

Results in white below:
UTG has Jh 4c 6s Ah (Low: 7, 6, 5, 4, A | High: two pair, jacks and fours).
Hero has Th 2d Ad 2c (Low: 7, 5, 4, 2, A | High: flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $3.19.

That would be nice!!!!!!

Have you considered moving up in limits at all? It's just my opinion, but if you are limping/flat-calling limps with KKA3 from MP full ring, what in gods name are you raising with?

I was a career losing player at .50/1 o8b, and I moved up to $1/$2 and $2/$4 and turn solid profit just hijacking the role of table captain. They (usually) will figure out what you are doing after about a dozen orbits, but you'll be up enough you can nit up and match big hands with flops.

I bring this up simply because I use to get frustrated by sleepnittingwalking my way though a half dozen ridiculously loose calling stations to beat rake on a good night at .50/1. Once I made the jump I felt I finally started getting the chance to play some actual poker on the stars tables.

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.01/$0.02
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A 7 A 4
Hero calls, 2 folds, Button raises to $0.09, SB calls, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.38, Button raises to $1.25, SB calls all-in $0.4, Hero raises all-in $2.85, Button calls all-in $1.19.
Uncalled bets: $0.41 returned to Hero.

Flop: 8 J 7 ($0.55, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $1.49, Sidepot 1: $3.43)



Turn: T ($0.55, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $1.49, Sidepot 1: $3.43)


River: 8 ($0.55, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $1.49, Sidepot 1: $3.43)


Results:
Final pot: $0.55

stupid converter......here's villains hands
Seat 3: axisally (button) showed [5h Kc 7s Qh] and won ($5.14) with HI: a flush, Queen high
Seat 4: quelix2 (small blind) mucked [Qd 7d Td 3d]

Hand that put me out in 15th out of 421

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Tournament
Blinds: t800/t1600
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t28530
UTG+1: t25811
MP1: t199236
CO: t55332
Button: t90892
hero: t23167
BB: t6838

Pre-flop: (7 players) hero is SB with A Q A 8
UTG raises to t5600, 4 folds, hero raises to t18400, BB folds, UTG calls t12800 (pot was t25600).

Flop: 7 3 9 (t38400, 2 players)
hero is all-in t4767, UTG calls t4767 (pot was t43167).

Turn: 3 (t47934, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t47934)


River: 3 (t47934, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t47934)


Results:
Final pot: t47934 villain=burt lake: shows [3c 9h 4h 2h] (HI: four of a kind, Threes) UTG!

took a bit of a different line here. wasn't expecting the result I got when he called on the river. Anyone like it? I'm sure Antistuff will have something to say about this one






PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($3.46)
MP ($6.59)
Button ($1.88)
SB ($11.24)
Hero ($6.16)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , , , .
UTG calls $0.05, MP raises to $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.62) , , (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.15, Button raises to $0.4, Hero calls $0.40, UTG folds, MP folds.

Turn: ($1.57) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.2, Hero calls $0.20.

River: ($1.97) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.92, Button calls $1.13 (All-In).

Final Pot: $4.23

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Ad Qc 3s (Low: 6, 4, 3, 2, A | High: one pair, sixes).
Button has Jd Qh As 5c (Low: 6, 5, 4, 2, A | High: one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $5.01.

I don't think there is any point at all in making that river bet since you have basically zero chance at the high and a chance of getting quartered on the low. But clearly I'm giving these players waaaaayyyyy to much credit. Donk leads at this level often indicate a low hand or nut low draw, but still...the chance of you winning that high are so, so slim. Maybe the lesson is that you should always pot your nut lows on the river because idiots like this come along who will call with a worse low and even less of a high hand than yours.

These are the stakes I play too, and hands like this make me wonder if I should be driving every hand because people will call down with such junk. But then I start overplaying hands, losing money, and revert back to more careful play.

My thought at the time was he was scared of that turn card with his bet size and the way he had played hands before it just looked to me like he was weak. I wasn't betting for value on the end I was trying to fold him out.
(although if he did have a hand like 35xx not sure he could fold it anyway )

you're close.

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i think you have the right idea in that hand. as you move up this is exactly how you beat nitty players, by using a lock on one side to bluff them off the other side in a pot that shouldn't have ever gotten as big as it did. against the kind of person who is going to make the call that they did, i don't like it. the result you got is very rare. most of the time you are going to split or get 1/4.

now if you had 2344 and the board was a68jq....(bad players love to call down their whole stack with like 24xx there).

This is exactly what I was trying to do

But as he suggested in the rest of his post, the move is destined to fail at these stakes because these players aren't nitty - it's much more difficult to bluff players off one side of the pot when you have only the other side because they will call down so widely.

It works for me fairly often

I haven't been playing very long and don't have a huge number of hands under my belt, but my experience is that most players at this level aren't quite as bad as the guy in the hand you posted there. That's pretty extreme badness. Perhaps either you've gotten very lucky in the opposition you've faced or I've gotten unlucky in the opposition I've faced. Or maybe I just haven't given myself enough opportunity to benefit from this kind of badness because I've been playing too straightforwardly.

That being said, I also don't think you need to make these kinds of moves at these stakes. If you're patient enough, you can be very profitable by focusing on good hand selection and nailing people when they overvalue mediocre hands.

L-O-freakin-L

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.05 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO ($5.80)
Button ($3.33)
SB ($5.93)
BB ($5.18)
UTG ($9.93)
Hero ($3.93)
MP2 ($14.13)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with , , , .
1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, MP2 calls $0.05, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.20) , , (4 players)
SB bets $0.05, BB raises to $0.1, Hero raises to $0.55, MP2 folds, SB calls $0.50, BB calls $0.45.

Turn: ($1.85) (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.8, SB calls $1.80, BB calls $1.80.

River: ($7.25) (3 players)
SB bets $3.53 (All-In), BB folds, Hero calls $1.53 (All-In).

Final Pot: $10.31

Results:
Hero has 8c Qd Kc Kh (High: full house, kings full of fives).
SB has Ah 3s 2s 9s (High: one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $10.31.

his play here is fine. for 3.50 in a 7.25 pot you can't call that river often enough.

edit: im assuming you play like a normal TAG that i encounter.

from MP I would fold this pre. Is that too nitty?

I think this play is horrible with two people in the pot behind you IMHO. Although I have made that kind of play several times if it's heads up

I agree about people not being as bad as that guy, but I think that type of play is profitable at any of the stakes I've played as long as the game is PL or NL. However in the hand I posted I didn't really like the board pairing on the end as it completed just about any high hand he could have, but when you smooth call with the nut lo behind someone who is driving the pot (with what you perceive to be a high hand) when a scare card comes on the end and you push they fold a lot. If they don't sometimes you get lucky as I did and scoop other times you get quartered/half. To me it's worth the risk for the amount of times you take it down uncontested

What did he think I was playing when I pot-raised that flop and then potted the turn? The river eliminates the possibility of a low and fills up any set, which is my most likely holding the way I played it. He still has two opponents on the river, and one of them (me) only has $1.50 left in front of him. Did he actually think he was going to bluff both of us off that pot?

And, yes, I do play a fairly TAG game. I'm still a beginner and want to build my confidence before lagging up.

Maybe you're right about this - quartering probably doesn't happen nearly as often as I fear it happening, so the times it does happen may easily be offset by the times you scoop or take it down uncontested.

It's a short table and when there isn't a whole lot of PF action I like to limp in with high-only hands with good potential. This is a hand that is very easy to throw away postflop, but has good potential if it hits (set of K's, NFD if Acxc flops, nut straight potential).

yeah, I guess it would depend on the tables preflop tendencies. I do the same with my high hands and if the 8 were a 10 J or A I wouldn't think twice about limping in. If I was pretty sure no one wouldn't raise behind me maybe I'd limp in here too

P.S. nice hand BTW

awwwwwwww yeah........... back in action after a short break

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.05 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($1.95)
SB ($5.95)
BB ($5.01)
Hero ($5.18)
MP ($6.57)
CO ($4.13)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2, 9, A, 4.
Hero raises to $0.1, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15, MP calls $0.15.

Flop: ($0.82) J, 3, A (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, Button calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3.07) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.55, MP calls $1.55, Button calls $0.95 (All-In).

River: ($7.12) 5 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $2.63 (All-In), MP calls $2.63.

Final Pot: $12.38

Results in white below:
Hero has 2d 9h Ad 4s (Low: 5, 4, 3, 2, A | High: straight, five high).
MP has Th As 5h Ts (High: two pair, aces and fives).
Button has 4c Qd 6h Qs (Low: 6, 5, 4, 3, A | High: straight, seven high).
Outcome: Hero wins $9.42. Button wins $2.96.

What's with the PF minraise?

And what's with the small turn bet?

But wow, those players are terrible.

i like min raising preflop. it makes it easier to cut deeper into the stacks of passive players who won't raise but will call too much at very little cost.

if im at a table with 200bb and there are three bad players to my right who cover me a min raise or a little more is not a bad idea every time they limp in and i have a hand i want to play.

it also gets me free cards on the flop. they all check to the raiser, like im gonna make daring and bold c-bets in a four way min raised pot.

and lastly it keeps pots multiway. the new style that this game is being played in is much like nlhe. raise preflop in position and hammer away. this is dumb. we want to create huge multiway pots with hands that will hit big draws on the flop to scoop big pots.

its only $4 more dollars......

Full Tilt Poker Game #6282089747: Table Fitzgerald - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 7:04:32 ET - 2008/05/04
Seat 1: volcomrider182 ($244.55)
Seat 2: antistuff ($87.50)
Seat 3: chiseler1 ($20.25)
Seat 4: DattyP ($40.30)
Seat 5: richlet ($8.45)
Seat 6: GateauOrMort ($128.40), is sitting out
Seat 7: jacksonmovers27 ($31.60)
Seat 8: maennje ($71)
Seat 9: Go_Hard_Go_Lo ($100.60)
volcomrider182 posts the small blind of $0.50
antistuff posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to antistuff [Ks 7d 4d Kc]
chiseler1 calls $1
DattyP folds
richlet folds
jacksonmovers27 calls $1
maennje calls $1
Go_Hard_Go_Lo folds
volcomrider182 calls $0.50
antistuff checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 4h Jd]
volcomrider182 checks
antistuff checks
chiseler1 checks
jacksonmovers27 bets $2.50
maennje folds
volcomrider182 folds
antistuff raises to $12.50
chiseler1 folds
jacksonmovers27 calls $10
*** TURN *** [Kd 4h Jd] [Kh]
antistuff checks
richlet adds $13
jacksonmovers27 bets $15
antistuff calls $15
*** RIVER *** [Kd 4h Jd Kh] [4c]
antistuff bets $4
jacksonmovers27 has 15 seconds left to act
jacksonmovers27 calls $3.10, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $0.90 returned to antistuff
*** SHOW DOWN ***
antistuff shows [Ks 7d 4d Kc] four of a kind, Kings, for high
jacksonmovers27 mucks
antistuff wins the pot ($63.20) with four of a kind, Kings
jacksonmovers27 is sitting out
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $66.20 | Rake $3
Board: [Kd 4h Jd Kh 4c]
Seat 1: volcomrider182 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: antistuff (big blind) showed [Ks 7d 4d Kc] and won ($63.20) with HI: four of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: chiseler1 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: DattyP didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: richlet didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: GateauOrMort is sitting out
Seat 7: jacksonmovers27 mucked [8h 9h 3d Qh] - HI: a pair of Kings
Seat 8: maennje folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Go_Hard_Go_Lo (button) didn't bet (folded)

yeah pf min raise just to get some more $ in pot

turn bet just big enough to start to build a side pot

and yes they are!!!!!!

Would you also minraise a high only hand, like AAKJ double-suited, or pot-raise to narrow the field? If the latter, don't you risk giving away your hand by using different PF raises?

to be completely honest, i don't worry about giving away my hand with how i size my preflop raises. i have yet to come across a player who seems to have picked up on it. if/when that happens ill find a way to mix it up.


one thing that might help is that im not min raising players i consider to be good too often.

Which would certainly cover most of the field at my .02-.05 stakes...