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BigLebowski
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $70.45
CO: $24
Button: $51.30
SB: $9.50
Hero: $103.85

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with J icon_suit_heart.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, Button raises to $1.5, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 2 icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif ($4.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $1, SB calls, Hero raises to $4.5, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: 5 icon_suit_heart.gif ($14.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button raises to $20.5 (with 25 behind), Hero ????

First I know I know, c/r more. I figured me holding two of his outs if he is on flush draw I would try to get cute. If he had AAxx with hearts maybe we could get it in now with my weak looking raise. Turn bet meh.
simo_8ball
Check/repot every time.

I think you should check/call the turn. Betting $6 doesn't achieve too much IMO. You're either 100% or you're drawing to a board pair.

As played, it's $14.5 into $41. You need to be 26% to call, without any implied odds. You probably have 10 outs from 44 = 22.7%. You know that villain has AhXh and more likely than not some high cards, so you can probably bump that to 10 from 41 = 24%.

You don't need to get paid off much, or often, to call here.
BigLebowski
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 10:08 AM) *
Check/repot every time.

I think you should check/call the turn. Betting $6 doesn't achieve too much IMO. You're either 100% or you're drawing to a board pair.

As played, it's $14.5 into $41. You need to be 26% to call, without any implied odds. You probably have 10 outs from 44 = 22.7%. You know that villain has AhXh and more likely than not some high cards, so you can probably bump that to 10 from 41 = 24%.

You don't need to get paid off much, or often, to call here.



Pretty much what I was thinking. During the hand as I was doing the quick calculations I figured this jackass was doing to me the same exact thing I did to him on the flop....raise just enough to give them bad pot odds to draw. I was stuffing just about any non heart turn.

So I check turn, and he pots, I take it you are laying it down?
simo_8ball
I would c/c pot on the turn. He can pot the turn with a few hands you beat if you check. If you bet and he raises you are never ahead.
BigLebowski
So you really are hoping for a check through on the river if the board doesn't pair? How much do you pay off if board doesn't pair and he bets?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 6:01 PM) *
So you really are hoping for a check through on the river if the board doesn't pair? How much do you pay off if board doesn't pair and he bets?

He won't bet the river with weak flushes very often, but he'll often bet the turn with any flush.

He might bluff at the turn with a straight draw and give up on the river.

I think there's enough value on the turn to call a pot.
BigLebowski
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 2:27 PM) *
He won't bet the river with weak flushes very often, but he'll often bet the turn with any flush.

He might bluff at the turn with a straight draw and give up on the river.

I think there's enough value on the turn to call a pot.


So are you saying you wouldn't call a dime on the river?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Wednesday, December 5th, 2007, 7:35 PM) *
So are you saying you wouldn't call a dime on the river?

I'm check/folding most big bets on the river because he's never value betting big a low flush on the river.

If he makes a small bet I'm probably looking him up.
iggymcfly
This spot sucks. Your line looks like you just have a set which makes you vulnerable both to a bluff and to a thin value raise. The problem is that all the wraps got there in addition to the flush draw so it's unlikely to be a bluff although a lower flush is possible. As played, I think I'd just shove the turn against an average low-stakes player. Most players at this level have a hard time laying down any flush ever, especially when you have a strange line, so I think that maximizes your value when he flops a combo draw that hits a weak flush. Also, if you do fill up on the river, you don't have to worry about whether you will get paid off.

If you're against someone who's on the weak-tight side that you think will not raise a low flush in the first place or at the least will not V-bet it on the river if you call his raise, then calling and check/folding a blank river is OK. If he's in-between kinda weak-tight, then you can call a small bet on the river and fold to a big one too. It's all pretty read-dependent.
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