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bdc30
You have GOT to fkin be shi*ting me.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.75
UTG+1: $32.90
CO: $0
Button: $49.95
Hero: $24.75
BB: $13.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K icon_suit_spade.gif T icon_suit_club.gif K icon_suit_diamond.gif J icon_suit_club.gif
UTG raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 5 icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_club.gif K icon_suit_club.gif ($1.95, 3 players)
Hero bets $1.95, UTG calls.

Turn: T icon_suit_diamond.gif ($5.85, 3 players)
Hero bets $5.85, UTG raises all-in $12.95, Hero calls.

River: A icon_suit_heart.gif ($31.75, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $31.75)


Results:
Final pot: $31.75
Hero showed Ks Tc Kd Jc
UTG showed 5d Ad 9s 3h

I'm only 95/5 to win, why should that hold up..

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3829030
pokenum -o ks kd jc tc - ad 9s 5d 3h -- 5s ac kc td
Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing 5s Ac Kc Td
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks Jc Tc Kd 38 95.00 2 5.00 0 0.00 0.950
9s Ad 5d 3h 2 5.00 38 95.00 0 0.00 0.050
BigLebowski
Standard rereraise all in I think


Button: $8.65
Hero: $25.85
BB: $6

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 2 icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif A icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85 (pot was $1.2), Button calls $0.85 (pot was $2.05), Hero calls $0.75 (pot was $2.9), BB folds.

Flop: 4 icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif ($3.65, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.65, 2 folds, Hero raises to $14.6, UTG raises all-in $16.35, Hero calls $1.75 (pot was $34.6).

Turn: Q icon_suit_spade.gif ($36.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $36.35)


River: 6 icon_suit_heart.gif ($36.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $36.35)


Results:
Final pot: $36.35
Hero showed 2c Td Ac Jd
UTG showed Ts Kc Jh 3c








And here is the hand he gives it back on...i bet you're shocked

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $2.05
CO: $31.50
Button: $35.40
SB: $15.90
Hero: $25.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), CO raises to $1.1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.85 (pot was $1.7), UTG raises all-in $2.05, CO calls $0.95 (pot was $4.35), Hero raises to $9.15, CO calls $6.25 (pot was $12.25).

Flop: 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif 7 icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif ($20.45, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $6.25, Sidepot 1: $14.2)
Hero is all-in $16.9, CO calls $16.9 (pot was $37.35).

Turn: J icon_suit_diamond.gif ($54.25, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $6.25, Sidepot 1: $48)


River: 5 icon_suit_spade.gif ($54.25, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $6.25, Sidepot 1: $48)


Results:
Final pot: $54.25
Hero showed Kh Qc Qd As
UTG showed 7s 5c Ac 6h
CO showed 8c 4s 9d Ad
bdc30
These fu*king idiots are calling POT bets to draw to gutshot straights. HOW the fu*k do I not make money at this stupid fking game?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $37.95
Button: $23.75
SB: $51.45
Hero: $25

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with Q icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: K icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_diamond.gif 5 icon_suit_heart.gif ($0.6, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.6, Button calls.

Turn: 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($1.8, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.8, Button calls.

River: J icon_suit_heart.gif ($5.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.7, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $10.8
Button showed 9c 6c Tc 7d
Hero mucks Qh Qc Js 6s
bdc30
Two buyins from where I "should" have been today...Beginning to get tired of this crap.

BigLebowski
NIIIIIIIIIIIIICEE runner runner sir!!

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $27.10
UTG+1: $4.15
Hero: $52.90
Button: $15.70
SB: $34.70
BB: $43.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 5 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif
2 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: J icon_suit_diamond.gif 3 icon_suit_club.gif 4 icon_suit_heart.gif ($0.75, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $3, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: 4 icon_suit_club.gif ($6.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.35, BB calls.

River: 9 icon_suit_spade.gif ($13.45, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $31.45
Hero showed 5s 5h Jc Jh
BB mucks Td 9h 4d Qh
BigLebowski
Runner runner for the home team....again, but the other way around

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25.05
UTG+1: $10.70
CO: $17.70
Button: $25.85
SB: $63.30
Hero: $28.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif
2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: 5 icon_suit_heart.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($0.6, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.25, Hero calls.

Turn: T icon_suit_heart.gif ($1.1, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.1, Hero calls.

River: T icon_suit_diamond.gif ($3.3, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.3, Hero raises to $13.2, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $29.7
Hero showed 6d Ts Js 5s
CO mucks 4c 7d 8c Kd
BigLebowski
Nothing significant money wise, but hands like these crack me up

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.05
UTG+1: $8.95
Hero: $53.55
Button: $3.75
SB: $5.30
BB: $54.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 9 icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 8 icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif ($2.55, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.55, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: Q icon_suit_spade.gif ($7.65, 2 players)
SB is all-in $1.9, Hero calls.

River: 5 icon_suit_spade.gif ($11.45, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $11.45)


Results:
Final pot: $11.45
Hero showed 9h Ac Th Qc
SB showed As 6d 6c Ad
bdc30
QUOTE (BigLebowski @ Wednesday, October 24th, 2007, 5:59 AM) *
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 5 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif
2 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.



You should raise here - don't you know that if you play two pair hand like teh internuts, they always hit and you can stack donks who overplay their hands?? icon_biggrin.gif
Sheiky
Is it bad to call a river bet with a second nut straight on a three flush board?
bdc30
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Wednesday, October 24th, 2007, 11:58 AM) *
Is it bad to call a river bet with a second nut straight on a three flush board?


As a general principle, yes. Post a specific hand though if you want a better analysis.
BigLebowski
Nice to have some of the big ones hold up every now and then

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $37.15
CO: $24.20
Hero: $25
SB: $14.45
BB: $37.60

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J icon_suit_diamond.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG calls, CO calls, Hero raises to $1.35, 2 folds, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: 3 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif ($4.4, 3 players)
UTG bets $4.4, CO calls, Hero raises to $22, UTG raises all-in $35.8, CO calls all-in $18.45, Hero calls all-in $1.65.
Uncalled bets: $12.15 returned to UTG.

Turn: K icon_suit_club.gif ($73.75, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $72.95, Sidepot 1: $1.6)


River: J icon_suit_heart.gif ($73.75, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $72.95, Sidepot 1: $1.6)


Results:
Final pot: $73.75
UTG showed 4c 8c 4h Td
CO showed 8d 9c Js 6d
Hero showed Jd Qh Tc Th
BudBundy
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $12.20
Hero: $162.20
CO: $48.30
Button: $59.95
SB: $124.20
BB: $43.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_club.gif T icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG folds, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 2 icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($2.5, 5 players)
SB bets $2.5, BB folds, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, SB calls.

Turn: Q icon_suit_spade.gif ($22.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB calls.

River: J icon_suit_diamond.gif ($52.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $52.5, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $157.5
Hero showed Th Jc Tc Js
SB mucks 7h 2h 2c Kd

Slow play? What's that?
bdc30
fucccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccck

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $25
CO: $27.25
Button: $18.85
SB: $6.85
BB: $40.95

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q icon_suit_diamond.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_diamond.gif
Hero raises to $0.85, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB raises to $5.1, Hero raises to $18.7, 2 folds, SB calls all-in $6, BB calls.

Flop: 3 icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_club.gif ($45.95, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $22.25, Sidepot 1: $23.7)
BB is all-in $23.1, Hero calls all-in $7.15.
Uncalled bets: $15.95 returned to BB.

Turn: 6 icon_suit_spade.gif ($60.25, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $22.25, Sidepot 1: $38)


River: 7 icon_suit_club.gif ($60.25, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $22.25, Sidepot 1: $38)


Results:
Final pot: $60.25
SB showed Kh 7d 5c Ks
BB showed Jd 9d 9c 8c
Hero showed Qd Jh Ah Ad
bdc30
Speaking of FuCCCCCCCCCCCCCK

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.80
UTG+1: $26.30
Hero: $40.35
Button: $11.55
SB: $20.40
BB: $23.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_diamond.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG raises to $0.5, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: J icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif ($2.1, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: A icon_suit_spade.gif ($2.1, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: 9 icon_suit_spade.gif ($2.1, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $2.1, Hero raises to $5.75, 2 folds, UTG raises all-in $10.3, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $22.7
UTG showed Jd 2d Kc Jh
Hero mucks Ac 7s Ad 3d
bdc30
Ok, I swear to fucking hell what the fu*k do I play this stupid fu(king game for?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $0
UTG+1: $22.25
CO: $27.05
Button: $25.65
SB: $24.30
Hero: $33.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 9 icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: T icon_suit_spade.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_club.gif ($1.25, 6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($3.75, 3 players)
Hero bets $3.75, UTG+1 calls.

River: 7 icon_suit_club.gif ($11.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $11, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $33.25
UTG+1 showed 4h Jh Qh Js
Hero mucks 9h 8s 5s Jd
BudBundy
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, October 25th, 2007, 9:32 AM) *
Ok, I swear to fucking hell what the fu*k do I play this stupid fu(king game for?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $0
UTG+1: $22.25
CO: $27.05
Button: $25.65
SB: $24.30
Hero: $33.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 9 icon_suit_heart.gif 8 icon_suit_spade.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif
UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: T icon_suit_spade.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_club.gif ($1.25, 6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($3.75, 3 players)
Hero bets $3.75, UTG+1 calls.

River: 7 icon_suit_club.gif ($11.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $11, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $33.25
UTG+1 showed 4h Jh Qh Js
Hero mucks 9h 8s 5s Jd


Without specific reads i am folding this river almost always. Just because he called down like a moron doesn't mean we have to pay him off when he hits.
bdc30
Honestly, in that one I let the timer run most of the way down thinking about it. He was one of the 75/25's that I was playing against and he'd been trying to run the table over. I really thought he'd bet any four cards when I checked to him there.
BigLebowski
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, October 25th, 2007, 7:41 AM) *
Honestly, in that one I let the timer run most of the way down thinking about it. He was one of the 75/25's that I was playing against and he'd been trying to run the table over. I really thought he'd bet any four cards when I checked to him there.


75/25's will bet anytime they are checked to...I would most likely have paid this off as well.
BudBundy
Actually it is about AF , not VPIP or PFR. He can be 75/25/0.85
BigLebowski
QUOTE (BudBundy @ Thursday, October 25th, 2007, 8:31 AM) *
Actually it is about AF , not VPIP or PFR. He can be 75/25/0.85


QFT. Good stats to have........
simo_8ball
Well, I'm not going to be able to play poker for a few days/weeks.

I'm disconnecting far too regularly to even attempt it.

Tournaments are totally out (not worth the risk), and I've lost numerous cash pots in the last few days where I've disconnected in the middle of a hand.
BudBundy
WOW


Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $52.85
Hero: $60.80
Button: $9.85
SB: $47
BB: $121.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif A icon_suit_club.gif
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 2 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_heart.gif ($5.5, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, Button raises all-in $8.1, BB raises to $25, Hero raises all-in $59.05, BB calls.

Turn: K icon_suit_diamond.gif ($131.7, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $29.8, Sidepot 1: $101.9)


River: J icon_suit_spade.gif ($131.7, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $29.8, Sidepot 1: $101.9)


Results:
Final pot: $131.7
Hero showed 8h 4c 7h Ac
Button showed Ah 4d 5c 5s
BB showed 2d 6h Jh 6d


board: 2c6c5h
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
jh6h6d2d 33.33% 222 0
ah4d5c5s 5.71% 36 4
ac4c7h8h 60.96% 404 4
bdc30
Wow - was surprised to see what he called with here....

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $67.20
Hero: $29.55
CO: $25.25
Button: $8.20
SB: $12.30
BB: $29.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG raises to $0.85, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 4 icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif ($4.35, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $14.85, CO raises all-in $24.4, Hero calls.

Turn: 9 icon_suit_heart.gif ($53.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $53.15)


River: 3 icon_suit_heart.gif ($53.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $53.15)


Results:
Final pot: $53.15
Hero showed Ac 5c Jd Ah
CO showed Td Tc 7c 6s
simo_8ball
I probably go broke there as well, but I'm a donk.
bdc30
buuuuuut the poker gods must have seen that...glad thsi guy only had $5

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $32.25
UTG+1: $4.25
CO: $23.70
Button: $36.45
SB: $23.35
BB: $38.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_club.gif
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises to $0.65, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 6 icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_diamond.gif ($2.2, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.75, SB calls, Hero raises to $9.2, UTG+1 calls all-in $1.85, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: $5.6 returned to Hero.

Turn: T icon_suit_diamond.gif ($11.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $11.15)


River: A icon_suit_heart.gif ($11.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $11.15)


Results:
Final pot: $11.15
UTG+1 showed Ac 9d 8h As
Hero showed Qh Jh Qc Jc
bdc30
Here's why I don't "always" raise aces...

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $15
Hero: $25.50
CO: $17.50
Button: $26.95
SB: $16.45
BB: $49.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A icon_suit_diamond.gif 7 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG (poster) checks, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: A icon_suit_heart.gif 5 icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif ($1, 4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1, UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $14, Hero raises all-in $25.25, BB calls.

Turn: 8 icon_suit_heart.gif ($51.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.5)


River: J icon_suit_heart.gif ($51.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.5)


Results:
Final pot: $51.5
Hero showed Ad 7c 8c As
BB showed 3s Td Qh Tc
simo_8ball
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, October 26th, 2007, 2:19 AM) *
Here's why I don't "always" raise aces...

Or, you raise preflop and it only takes 2 or 3 flop raises rather than 4 to get it allin. tongue.gif
bdc30
So (just to nitpick this exact hand) he calls a raise pre with QTT3 with no suits OR if he does, he's still crazy enough to get it all in on this flop?

Either way, I finally had an up day -- sure it's only 3 buyins, but after this stupid month, I'll take it.

iggymcfly
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Thursday, October 25th, 2007, 4:19 PM) *
Wow - was surprised to see what he called with here....

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $67.20
Hero: $29.55
CO: $25.25
Button: $8.20
SB: $12.30
BB: $29.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif
UTG raises to $0.85, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 4 icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif ($4.35, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $14.85, CO raises all-in $24.4, Hero calls.

Turn: 9 icon_suit_heart.gif ($53.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $53.15)
River: 3 icon_suit_heart.gif ($53.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $53.15)
Results:
Final pot: $53.15
Hero showed Ac 5c Jd Ah
CO showed Td Tc 7c 6s


This is standard. If you fold overpair + FD + GS + extra pair here, you're a huge nit. Also:

QUOTE
So (just to nitpick this exact hand) he calls a raise pre with QTT3 with no suits OR if he does, he's still crazy enough to get it all in on this flop?


Folding preflop is probably the correct move, but very few people will actually do it. Also, unless you're playing like 18/3 or something, no way do I fold middle set in a raised pot there. I'm starting to think you play too weak/passive. What are your aggression stats and your WTSD again?
bdc30
Hmm, I'm not sure - I'm at work and don't have the exact numbers - you are most likely correct though. WTSD I have no idea, but my pokerev graphs tend to show I lose a lot of money in non showdown pots (blue line always highest, then red, then green). My aggression stats (I think) run around 3-5% pfr and 1.5-2 AF. Suggestions?
BigLebowski
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, October 26th, 2007, 3:12 AM) *
My aggression stats (I think) run around 3-5% pfr and 1.5-2 AF. Suggestions?



I think you might want to look again icon_biggrin.gif
bdc30
Post up the #'s you have, I have no issue with that - I know you have tons of hands with me. Please also post the amount of won/loss between us while you're at it icon_clap.gif

As far as stats, I was referring to about my last 3-5k hands. I've been trying to raise more and play a bit looser - from what we talked about the other day. I'm more 30/5 than my usual 20/2 that I had been playing at the beginning of the month.
Sheiky
Why do people not raise as much PF in omaha?
BudBundy
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Friday, October 26th, 2007, 6:01 PM) *
Why do people not raise as much PF in omaha?


Because hands values are quite close in Omaha.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (Sheiky @ Friday, October 26th, 2007, 4:01 PM) *
Why do people not raise as much PF in omaha?

PLO is like Holdem with every hand being a suited connector.
simo_8ball
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.50
UTG+1: $44.70
CO: $57.25
Button: $113
SB: $49.50
Hero: $47.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 8 icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif J icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls $0.5 (pot was $0.75), 2 folds, Button raises to $2, SB folds, Hero calls $1.5 (pot was $3.25), UTG calls $1.5 (pot was $4.75).

Flop: 9 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_diamond.gif ($6.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: 8 icon_suit_spade.gif ($6.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

River: 7 icon_suit_club.gif ($6.25, 3 players)
Hero bets $3.5, UTG calls $3.5 (pot was $9.75), Button folds.

Results:
Final pot: $13.25
Hero showed 8c 9d 9s Js
UTG mucks As 4c 2h Jc
Sheiky
Is this one of those 'shit i have to use two cards' moments from the viallain?
simo_8ball
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $65.55
UTG+1: $19
Hero: $34.50
Button: $177.55
SB: $10.90
BB: $44.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K icon_suit_spade.gif K icon_suit_heart.gif 2 icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_spade.gif
UTG calls $0.5 (pot was $0.75), UTG+1 calls $0.5 (pot was $1.25), Hero raises to $2.75, Button calls $2.75 (pot was $4.5), 2 folds, UTG calls $2.25 (pot was $7.25), UTG+1 folds.

Flop: 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif T icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_heart.gif ($9.5, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.5



Thoughts?
simo_8ball
lol todaysstatisticaments:

+$smallprofit

Equity adjusted:

-$eleventybrazillion

I guess I run good. I need to stop spewing in obvious places though.
iggymcfly
Yeah, bdc, you definitely are playing too passively. Try this for starters: when you're in the CO or OTB, if you have a hand that would be playable UTG and it's limped to you, raise it every time. Building pots in position is a huge advantage and it's really simple. In general, you're usually going to want to C-bet a a little bit more on hands you've raised preflop, but even if you just play it like someone raised in front of you, you'll still be better off than you will playing 30/5. Your postflop aggression's pretty low too, but that's a little tougher to fix and there are a lot of different small problems that could be responsible.

I play 34/19/3.4 overall and I'm not saying you should go that aggressive as it's kind of a large adjustment and you need to play a completely different style raising that much. It's probably even slightly sub-optimal as sometimes when I'm playing a lot of tables, I start raising just about everything PF to make it simpler. Still though, even playing a little bit passive, you should try to get your PFR up to a minimum of 10 and your AF to a minimum of 2.

Also, while I've had some problems at 1/2 and above lately (1.65 PTBB/100 avg. at those levels), my style's still averaging 13.0 PTBB/100 at 0.5/1 and below over a sample of 35,000 hands. I definitely think that relentless aggression is the best strategy against most low-limit players.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (iggymcfly @ Saturday, October 27th, 2007, 3:06 AM) *
I play 34/19/3.4 overall


I've been generally running 24/12 ish, with 2.72 postflop agg (1.36 inc. preflop). I just can't seem to get a real grasp on a good style (nothing to do with results, just overall play). I seem to be uncomfortable with PLO at the moment.

I'm definitely struggling to fold preflop in certain bad situations, and I'm not loosening up enough in position. Even on the button I'm only 24/13.5, and that should easily be up at 30/15 or more.

I've only been winning 40% of my sessions as well recently which has been a real problem. I need to spend some real time looking through PokerEV to see where I'm losing money.

I've reworked my NLHE game a lot over the last few weeks and it's affecting the way I look at PLO as well, but I don't have enough of a sample size to say if it's having a positive or negative effect.
iggymcfly
The main hands that I play from the button or occasionally the CO and fold from other positions are Axxxds and hands where middle pairs are the only redeeming feature like TT63 or 9954. There are a couple others here and there, but those are the main groups that I'm conscious of. I agree that it's hard to differentiate too much by position though as with exactly 6 players, I'm 30/12 UTG and 38/22 on the button.
bdc30
Iggy, I really appreciate the advice. Just to clarify/confirm, those hands you just mentioned Axxx ds and mp hands, are we to raise those often if limped to in LP?
bdc30
How's this? Shove flop?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $32.35
Hero: $24.25
CO: $21.50
Button: $55.95
SB: $20.35
BB: $12.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T icon_suit_diamond.gif J icon_suit_diamond.gif 4 icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, Button calls.

Flop: 7 icon_suit_spade.gif 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif A icon_suit_club.gif ($2.05, 3 players)
Button checks, Hero bets $1.95, Button raises to $7.8, Hero calls.

Turn: T icon_suit_club.gif ($17.65, 3 players)
Button bets $17.55, Hero calls all-in $15.6.
Uncalled bets: $1.95 returned to Button.

River: K icon_suit_diamond.gif ($50.8, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $48.85, Sidepot 1: $1.95)


Results:
Final pot: $50.8
Button showed 7h As Ks Qh
Hero showed Td Jd 4c 9c
bdc30
GAH. I misclick called preflop (didn't realize it had been 3-bet) then flop trips...70/30 at that point - Nice turn... sad.gif

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $19.10
UTG+1: $52.55
CO: $17.30
Button: $14.75
SB: $29.40
Hero: $45.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 5 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif J icon_suit_club.gif
2 folds, CO raises to $0.85, Button raises to $2.9, SB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: 5 icon_suit_spade.gif 4 icon_suit_heart.gif 5 icon_suit_club.gif ($8.8, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8.8, Button raises all-in $11.85, Hero raises all-in $42.55, CO calls all-in $5.6.
Uncalled bets: $28.15 returned to Hero.

Turn: K icon_suit_spade.gif ($46.9, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $44.35, Sidepot 1: $5.1)


River: 4 icon_suit_spade.gif ($46.9, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $44.35, Sidepot 1: $5.1)


Results:
Final pot: $46.9
CO showed Th Jd Jh Ad
Button showed Kd 7c 7d Kh
Hero showed 5h 9c Ah Jc
bdc30
Played a bit tonight after reading some of the advice here. Tried to be more aggro from LP when limped to. The numbers are still lower than they probably should be, but it will get there as I get more comfortable. Took a bit of an equity hit from the hand posted above, but whatever, misclicks happen, I normally wouldn't be in that spot in the first place.



Still had a crap day equity-wise though...but happy that I still showed a profit.

bdc30
Here are my weekly graphs Iggy/Bud/Simo - tear them apart as necessary - I'll be online at work all day for any feedback.

Pertinent stats as follows-- ~5500 hands

VpIp - 29.11 VpIfSB - 46.5 W$WsF - 27.31 Won AMt $72.60 BB/100 2.65 WtSD - 28.1 W$@SD 56.45 PFR 2.34% PFAF 0.08 FAF 1.04 TAF 1.64 RAF 1.6 TTLAF 1.3






simo_8ball
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Saturday, October 27th, 2007, 9:23 AM) *
PFR 2.34% PFAF 0.08

OMG.

That is all.
simo_8ball
You're playing super passive all round.

Because you rarely raise preflop you are almost never continuation betting the flop. That's a huge hole.


Also, what the hell does TTLAF stand for?
bdc30
Total AF - was trying to differentiate from turn AF
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