I list flops.
You give the hand that has the best chance to win if held till showdown

1. 4h 7s Js
2. 9h Qs Kc


my guesses

1. 5s 6s Jx Jx
2. Th Js Kh Ks

good?


I know the big thing is stacks/postion and other action, not "best hand at showdown" But this basic exercise will be good, for me at least.

Looks about right to me

Tough exercise. You want to have some re-draws too. For instance, on the second hand, I'd rather hold something with an ace in it, so another facecard doesn't leave us vulnerable. In the first hand the 56 are pretty much useless. Give me JJ with a higher flush draw OR with a better straight draw any day. Any hand we hit with that 5 6 isn't going to be NEARLY the nuts. Give me the current nuts, with a redraw to the better nuts. That's what I consider the "perfect" flop hand.

Hand 1 - J J A X preferably (for example)

Hand 2 - TJAK, suits don't matter.

We're kind of splitting hairs here, so to speak, as both hands I'm listing and hands you're listing will be super powerful.
I'm just bouncing some ideas around.

it also depends on how many hands are going to sd.
The 5s6s is an oesd and fd

oesds (hardly ever are to the nuts) and 6 high flushes don't mean shit in this game.

if we are 3 way both of those combined are better than one high flush draw, right?
Many times we would have the only fd, in shrohanded fields


I'm not saying if the hands are HU against each other, but against randoms

Like I say, we're splitting hairs here. All these hands are powerful ones.

My point is that we should want redraws to the NUTS only. PLO is a nut peddling game. Plain and simple.
Yes, it's nice to have some combo draws, but at the levels you and I are playing at, you're not forcing out a nut flush draw no matter what you do,
so like I say, give me the current nuts with a draw to the better nuts every day, all day, before an open ended combo 6 high flush draw.

this isnt about the action...pretend we are all all-in preflop.

So, part of the question would be, how likely another FD is out on us AND a Flush hits.
Because if a FD is only out against us 1/5 times whwn it hits the board for us, it seems having a oesd as back up is worthwhile

And...
I hear all the time about PLO is nut peddling..lol...I win a ton of money continuation betting with air or with much less thna nuts at showdown. Of course, big pots are about nuts and huge draws.

/insert that .gif of the smiley guy banging his head off wall

There are so many more cards "out" in omaha than there are in holdem.
In he, it's safe to assume "most" of your outs are live. In omaha that's just not always the case.

Like I've said. All your examples are powerful hands. Maybe it comes down to playing styles. Give me Ax sooted with a set instead of your 56 (which you may and apparently do prefer). Maybe it suits my playing style better. Who knows...lol
Some of the great intangible things that make this game so much fun to talk about ad nauseum at 5am eastern time...lol